Thread: Is our society FAILING US?

Any answers? I suggest anyone who does give an answer first explain just what a society is and what "our" society consists of!

Don't look in the sociology books. None of them are consistent on the subject and, besides, they really only deal with "groups"---"groupology"!

We evolved in hunting-gathering groups, so it would be logical to assume we are instinctively geared to function best in 40-50 people size groups. But civilization would be impossible if all people were organized only in such small groups.

So, we have ideological system which bind us (or our small groups) into big groups. Naturally these big groups ("societies") weaken as their ideological core divides.

Our secular ideology united the religion-bonded societys (Christendom, Islam, Hindus Society, etc.). Now that we have a religious Administration and Islam is become more militant, we need to recognize that it can only happen because our secular ideology is weakening, in decline.

As the world grows increasingly divided along the old religion lines, the threat of catastrophic war increases. These are increasingly dangerous times.

charles, http://humanpurpose.simplenet.com

Picture us as ants. ants are good. they mind their own business. they just want a house. A mound to call their own. all they use is dirt. extraordinary safe for the environment. They work together. They are HUGE in numbers, yet manage to do it. They will fight to the death for eachother. are we not a lot like the ants? Only bigger? The ants have their society and we have ours. Ours only screws up A LOT of earth.

I heard from a guy in China or was it Japan? (o well ^^) that they have no religion its just taking care of BUSINESS. we have religion here but increasingly seems like cuthroate non-togetherdness is being glorified actualy and especially in the media and magazines where they force feed us gossip and dirty laundry. Even in FOOD advertisements they glorify the non-togetheredness if u look closely this is what the food advertisements lead to:

"Be big man and eat this WHOPPIN MONSTER HUGE burger" to be the king. a baddass king...

no, fuck that. half that burger can go to those starving slave workers that these huge corporations employ for their fat bellies and phat rides and global warming producing houses.

This post sounds like a rant! I also agree, why the hell don't the social scientists do something! God damn it man! Government, economics, authority, religion, nationalism, racism, why can't we get our shit together?

I think part of the evolution of society is that in the frist stages, there is utter chaos. Hundreds of years ago and in some places today, there is no plumbing, which causes people to get sick very often. However we fixed it through technology. Technology will be the savior for the world, because once computers become more common people will be able to access information very easily. Remember internet is a very new technology, and when it becomes common for everyone around the world, it will create a sense of connection between societies which will abolish things like war and poverty. Over time societies can only get more rational and more civilized. There is no way that America will make slavery legal again, or take away peoples rights. Soon enough people will start to realize that war is not the answer to anything.

Well charles brough, do you have any suggestions???
I live in a secular society and must admit it is a lot better than a religious one for me personally. But it is also tolerant of all the other views that are around, and this is taken advantage of by certain groups [for want of a better name] so What do you have in mind as a better form of government for a country??

Charles,
read the Territorial Imperative by Robert Ardrey. I think it could influence your thinking.

Ophiolite suggests reading the Territorial Imperative. I read all of Robert Audry's books when they came out and they did indeed influence my thinking.

Fledermaus asks what solution is there to the society-decline problem. The reason why it is not yet being dealt with is that there is no widely known world view that is adequately adapted to
human nature, answers the four questions we all want answers to(*), answers them scientifically, is self consistent and able to solve problems instead of making them worse---as is happening now in world affairs.
When such a world view begins to spread, it will be able, during the next 25 to 50 years, to replace our present religions and as well our failing and faulty secular belief system. This will be the beginning of a new, space colonizing, world-wide civilization. This is what has happened repeatedly in world history and it will happen again. A proposal for this new world view is available at http://humanpurpose.simplenet.com

charles
(*): 1. what is our origin?, 2. What goals do we have in common?, 3. How do we achieve them (the moral system). and 4. what stands in our way?