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    Concerning psychology, in this months BrainWorld magazine page twelve the subject is I think therefore, I
    Hmm... the article is about mind and body and esoteric thoughts. Thoughts please. Paul


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    Quote Originally Posted by pljames View Post
    Thoughts please.
    Therefore beings please.


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    Quote Originally Posted by pljames View Post
    Thoughts please.
    yes, sometimes they do
    All that belongs to human understanding, in this deep ignorance and obscurity, is to be skeptical, or at least cautious; and not to admit of any hypothesis, whatsoever; much less, of any which is supported by no appearance of probability...Hume
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    What is this "think" ????
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    Hi pljames, I haven't seen the article and a link here would probarbly be a great idea so that others may, but the actual quote itself ok Descartes may have got there 400 years before us but it is still interesting to debate the possibilities. I suspect though that even Descartes here probarbly borrowed much of his reasoning from the ancient greek philosophers. It also sounds some what more meaningful in latin somehow, Cogito ergo sum.

    So does this simple statement allow us to question our existence by contemplating doubts but vanquishing them with thoughts, perhaps or perhaps not. If I ask how I know I exist would my first thought be because I think I do and even if it is does this give me proof or mere illusion. I may think someone else exists but is that proof either or just a figment of my imagination, again this cannot offer proof one way or the other. So whilst possibly a cornerstone of philisophical thinking four centuries ago it now seems more problematic and troublesome than useful in really giving us a basis for beginning to understand the nature of our reality.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shlunka View Post
    What is this "think" ????
    Hi!
    Yours is the first serious question:
    Why do you ask?
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    I think therefore I am? I know you are but what am I?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ascended View Post
    Hi pljames, I haven't seen the article and a link here would probarbly be a great idea so that others may, but the actual quote itself ok Descartes may have got there 400 years before us but it is still interesting to debate the possibilities. I suspect though that even Descartes here probarbly borrowed much of his reasoning from the ancient greek philosophers. It also sounds some what more meaningful in latin somehow, Cogito ergo sum..
    It often happens that Greek Philophers were first. But in this case...who was it?
    Protagoras? Claiming that we use ourselves as the measuring device whatever we measure?

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    So does this simple statement
    allow us to question our existence
    by contemplating doubts
    but vanquishing them with thoughts,
    perhaps or perhaps not.
    What is a question?
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    If I ask how I know I exist would my first thought be because I think I do and even if it is does this give me proof or mere illusion.
    What is knowledge?
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    I may think someone else exists but is that proof
    or just a figment of my imagination,
    What is existence?

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    again this cannot offer proof one way or the other.
    What is proof?
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    So whilst possibly a cornerstone of philisophical thinking four centuries ago it now seems more problematic and troublesome than useful in really giving us a basis for beginning to understand the nature of our reality.
    Are you asking Rethorical Questions or are You expressing Your Bewilderment?
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    Quote Originally Posted by shlunka View Post
    I think therefore I am? I know you are but what am I?
    Hi!

    HOW?
    ...how do YOU

    know that I am?

    What allows you
    to distinguish between us?

    Also: To know "that" something is,
    is not to know "what" that something is,
    or is it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by sigurdV View Post
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    I think therefore I am? I know you are but what am I?
    Hi!

    HOW?
    ...how do YOU

    know that I am?

    What allows you
    to distinguish between us?

    Also: To know "that" something is,
    is not to know "what" that something is,
    or is it?
    Those statements weren't meant to be sequitor. More or less I was just stating two english idioms. One of them a philosophical pondering with great implications, and the other a common remark used by the immature.
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    I think therefore I am ?
    If the reciprocal of this is true, then SigurdV doesn't exist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shlunka View Post
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    I think therefore I am? I know you are but what am I?
    Hi!

    HOW?
    ...how do YOU

    know that I am?

    What allows you
    to distinguish between us?

    Also: To know "that" something is,
    is not to know "what" that something is,
    or is it?
    Those statements weren't meant to be sequitor. More or less I was just stating two english idioms. One of them a philosophical pondering with great implications, and the other a common remark used by the immature.
    Try english next time. I have no idea what you mean by your words.
    Im swedish do you wish to read swedish to get an idea how your choice of words look from outside?
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    Quote Originally Posted by shlunka View Post
    Those statements weren't meant to be sequitor. More or less I was just stating two english idioms. One of them a philosophical pondering with great implications, and the other a common remark used by the immature.
    A 17 year old wrote this?
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    Quote Originally Posted by RedPanda View Post
    I think therefore I am ?
    If the reciprocal of this is true, then SigurdV doesn't exist.
    I am! = You are/!
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    Quote Originally Posted by sigurdV View Post
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    I think therefore I am? I know you are but what am I?
    Hi!

    HOW?
    ...how do YOU

    know that I am?

    What allows you
    to distinguish between us?

    Also: To know "that" something is,
    is not to know "what" that something is,
    or is it?
    Those statements weren't meant to be sequitor. More or less I was just stating two english idioms. One of them a philosophical pondering with great implications, and the other a common remark used by the immature.
    Try english next time. I have no idea what you mean by your words.
    Im swedish do you wish to read swedish to get an idea how your choice of words look from outside?
    Terribly sorry about that. In America, and perhaps Sweden as well. The saying "I know you are but what am I?" is often used by young children. I was comparing it to "I think, therefore I am." jokingly. Sorry for using uncommon English.
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    I suffer from chronic depersonalization/derealization disorder. I call it Descartes syndrome."I think, therefore I am....or am I?"(followed by neurotic obsessions about reality, and a few panic attacks)
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    Quote Originally Posted by EndlessEndeavor View Post
    I suffer from chronic depersonalization/derealization disorder. I call it Descartes syndrome."I think, therefore I am....or am I?"(followed by neurotic obsessions about reality, and a few panic attacks)
    Go to Arlington.

    Ride the Texas Giant.

    Go home.

    Realize that reality is about the next time you ride.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neverfly View Post
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    I suffer from chronic depersonalization/derealization disorder. I call it Descartes syndrome."I think, therefore I am....or am I?"(followed by neurotic obsessions about reality, and a few panic attacks)
    Go to Arlington.Ride the Texas Giant.Go home.Realize that reality is about the next time you ride.
    I know what you're getting at, but its also worth noting that my acrophobia is so severe that it takes a great amount of all that is within me just to drive over the bridge interchange @ I-35 and I-30 to get to Arlington from where I live. Yeah, I'm working on finding a Clinical Psychologist, and I see good reason to have hope in cognitive behavioral therapy.
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    Oh there's hope. Normally, I'd never admit this... few people know about it but uhh...

    I also suffer from acrophobia.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neverfly View Post
    Oh there's hope. Normally, I'd never admit this... few people know about it but uhh...I also suffer from acrophobia.
    I've got no choice. Our local infrastructure is really acrophobia unfriendly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shlunka View Post
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    I think therefore I am? I know you are but what am I?
    Hi!

    HOW?
    ...how do YOU

    know that I am?

    What allows you
    to distinguish between us?

    Also: To know "that" something is,
    is not to know "what" that something is,
    or is it?
    Those statements weren't meant to be sequitor. More or less I was just stating two english idioms. One of them a philosophical pondering with great implications, and the other a common remark used by the immature.
    Try english next time. I have no idea what you mean by your words.
    Im swedish do you wish to read swedish to get an idea how your choice of words look from outside?
    Terribly sorry about that. In America, and perhaps Sweden as well. The saying "I know you are but what am I?" is often used by young children. I was comparing it to "I think, therefore I am." jokingly. Sorry for using uncommon English.
    Wow! Your friendly!
    I thought you were snobbish or something...I apologise.
    The comparisation I understood but not its connection to children
    Im Unsusually bright so I seldom miss the obvious
    But im slightly naive and trusting and my paranoid mind-twin teases me for that.
    sV The dunce thinks he "invented me" ...I dont bother proving him wrong.
    Hes a nice fellow and would not like to understamd that I invented him...
    Sv Ha ha funny again
    SV( this guy SV (me) does not exist he is the bewildered fellow who really cant decide.)
    I mean: I could be wrong maybe I do exist!
    Perhaps theese guys also exists but change place at the steering wheel so fast so
    I dont notice...they then decides on each other letter and somehow this text that I believe is MY text really arent.
    (sV I couldnt make him #c" that what works with words also works with thoughts.)
    ...we learned to read at four ...we found an english book at five and couldnt stop reading the unreadable text
    Why on earth write a text that sometimes looks as swedish? (That was intended by the part of me that deviates from the truth in order to make a point funnier...sV understood directly that there are other languages and other countries and probably other worlds and voids with very strange "words" and I was seven or eight and it really is the other way around: I should have been born in the star Arcturius some six billion years ago but I was early and was born prenaturely in the outer part of of the stellar cloud before the star was fully formed and...)
    ... so I read english rather oK but I never sPOKE it (much):There are LOTS of things you learn ONLY by twosided communication ...I dont know what pointz though Im too busy being everywhere at once: " ;( #
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