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    Quote Originally Posted by merumario View Post
    I never remember that a science forum cannot defend its claim against philosophy...skeptic and spesy brain death is not human death...a person dies before the brain die...go and do assignment on the brain and dont post garbage.
    This argument doesn't make sense. The body does not die before the brain. You clearly have no understanding of "death."

    "Death" is a singular word used to describe the event in which a living thing ceases to function. But it's actually a rather long series of events.
    Let's examine:
    One of the events is higher cortex shut down. Clearly, this deals with the brain... That's a comatose or unconscious state.
    The lower functions start shutting down, causing the regulatory sections of the brain to no longer control involuntary muscles like diaphragm for breathing and the heart. Those organs then stop doing their job, but the cells that comprise them are still alive.
    The heart didn't die and the lungs didn't die, they simply stopped working. Major sections of the brain have stopped working at this point. Yet, the vast majority of cellular tissue is still "alive." This means the cells are still functioning, reacting to chemical compounds, etc..
    Since the heart is no longer moving blood, that carries nutrients to the cells, including oxygen, which would be deprived due to the diaphragm no longer drawing air into the lungs, all the cellular tissue slowly stops functioning since they cannot get what they need to continue to work.

    You accuse others of posting garbage, yet you quote a GI Joe, movie, a fantasy film that had nothing but bad science in it?

    It's truly amazing to watch how you hound pseudo-scientists on this forum, condemn their behavior, yet you're acting like one now- stubbornly rejecting evidence in favor of your spiritual beliefs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by merumario View Post
    Skeptic dont tell me that you are a fool,if you dont know about the brain go and read...medical advances show that the brain survives 5mins after death...if you are afraid to read listen to sci-fi movies..it was stated clear in G.I JOE.RETURN OF THE COBRA.
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    I think you have the wrong definition of death. The old fashioned definition was when the heart stopped beating.

    Imagine that a person has a massive heart attack, and his/her heart stops beating. The brain will continue to survive for up to ten minutes with no blood flow. But after that, due to lack of oxygen, all the brain cells will die. However, other cells, which need less oxygen will survive for up to an hour later.

    So, the brain does not live on after the body dies. The brain will die after the heart stops beating, but that is an entirely different thing. Brain cells are among the first cells in the body to die completely, due to their great need for oxygen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skeptic View Post
    Another interesting article in New Scientist. Paper edition : 1 December page 37.

    Researchers have discovered amazing similarities between physical and emotional pain in terms of brain chemistry and body response. When your heart is broken, or you feel lonely or rejected, the feeling of pain is all too real. MRI scans of the brain show that the same region is activated as when physical pain is inflicted with heat, electric shock, or leaving your hand in ice water. Not only that, but emotional pain is reduced by the same chemicals that reduce physical pain. eg. paracetamol or morphine etc.
    I guess that's why morphine/other opiates produce euphoria and relieve pain
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    In my own point of view those two are different, it's as simple as physical pain can be healed easily sometimes bearable but the emotional one is alarming specially to those who are prone into depression or those whose psychological side is weak.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skeptic View Post
    Another interesting article in New Scientist. Paper edition : 1 December page 37.

    emotional pain is reduced by the same chemicals that reduce physical pain. eg. paracetamol or morphine etc.
    From my personal experience this could very well be true.
    I'd even be so bold to say that physical pain can reduce emotional pain.
    I had a bad time for some months, suffering from a loss of a loved person.
    I couldn't sleep, sadness and helpless rage wouldn't let me sleep. The pain was very simmilar to physical pain.
    But here comes the interesting part: one of those days, I got cut with a knive. The cut didn't go deep. It was maybe 4 inches long and just quite superficial. But it emitted a permanent feeling of pain, just that common feeling that you have when something damages some layers of your skin. It didn't even have to be stitched.
    But I was quite surprised to find that the physical pain somehow made me feel calmer.
    I went to sleep much better that day, and I am quite sure it was because physical pain somehow seems to override emotional pain.
    My explanation would be that the body releases its natural pain killers when you are physically hurt. Therefore, when you are sad or depressed, and at the same time physically hurt, the physical pain will soothen the emotional pain, because those pain killers narrow all the way for the pain, the emotional one and the physical one.
    I would guess that some of the autoagressions that people commit when they suffer borderline, somehow relate with this mechanism. But this is just my guess.
    Maybe it also plays a role in many other human behaviours, sports for example. While practicing judo and rock climbing, I often had the slight feeling that after painful experiences, my overall emotional condition somehow appeared to be better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neverfly View Post
    You have a point there. Pretty good summary of my mental state. What I said isn't correct and rather a result of self-deception and failed coping with my problems. Maybe it has nothing to do with the link between physical and emotional pain and too much offtopic, so maybe the admin should delete it. I'm sorry for the interruption of this thread.
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    Sports and working out can lead to physical pain but I don't think it is the physical pain that makes one feel mentally better. I think its that the actions involved with sports and working out involve intense physical activity. Often adrenaline is necessary to perform these actions effectively. We need bursts of adrenaline to stay balanced. It works out our aggressions. If we were wild animals we would get these bursts every time we faced a predator or hunted or had conflict with another human. But in our modern state of existence we very rarely have an opportunity work out our aggressions and so the aggression builds up in us causing anger issues and anxiety. Then when we cant get along with others we become isolated and depressed.

    I don't recommend cutting at all. but getting involved in sports is an excellent way of maintaining emotional balance without pharmaceuticals, legal or otherwise.

    On a side note, once I severely sprained an ankle. I was told to stay off of it and take painkillers for a while. but instead I forced myself to walk around on it. It healed much faster than I was told to expect it to. I had sprained an ankle before, but not as bad, and did as I was instructed and it took forever for it to heal. I think causing it to hurt by walking on it, alerted the necessary areas of my brain to the nagging injury and so more healing elements were sent to the area. That's just my guess. but pain is your body's way of telling the brain that it is damaged. If you block the message, the brain won't do what is necessary to repair the damage.

    You can't expect the fire department to show up at a burning building if no one calls 911 to report the fire.
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    The tendency these days is for doctors to recommend reasonable use of any injured part of your body. But pain is the body's natural way of warning you of possible damage, and working an injury when it causes you significant pain is not a good idea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skeptic View Post
    The tendency these days is for doctors to recommend reasonable use of any injured part of your body. But pain is the body's natural way of warning you of possible damage, and working an injury when it causes you significant pain is not a good idea.
    I didn't know doctors are now recommending reasonable use. Sounds good. The important word there being reasonable. I wouldn't recommending using something like an arm with a compound or even simple fracture. Bones aren't quite the same as soft tissues.
    Speaking badly about people after they are gone and jumping on the bash the band wagon must do very well for a low self-esteem.
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    And weight bearing joints like hips, knees and ankles aren't the same as less stressed bits and pieces.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yoona939 View Post
    so maybe the admin should delete it.
    I do not agree. You said two opposite things- both are true. Being self aware enough to be willing to learn is to be admired.
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    I'm sorry for the interruption of this thread.
    Hardly. You contributed a lot with few words. You offered your perspective and I posted the link out of concern for your safety.
    But that's just a process. What you said in that post and in the one that followed have their bearing. No one is on a forum because they have everything to offer. It's more like an old marketplace of trade, with occasional shouting. We just conducted trade, is all
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    Am back,i see that this thread has been taken out of the part way i placed it before....any ways hello!
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