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  1. #1 What is racism IS IT A MYTH 
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    Has the world gone Mad ?
    Has any body really looked into this thing called racism, I my self have had some great Black and Asian friends.
    I have met loads who I despise, as they have a really bad attitude, to others (chips on their shoulders )
    Lets look at this a closer when Robert magarbi drove white folk out of Zimbabwe was it realy racist as he was quite happy
    to go to many European state visits when invited. And look at the likes of Aba Hamsa just released from prison. After being accused of
    planning terrorist attacks against the west. If he Hated Westerners so much why would he want to stay in the U.k.
    Is it not just a plain and simple fact the Human race has a nasty hateful streak, that it cannot tolerate certain individuals.
    and it would make no difference if they were Black White Yellow or Green.

    FOR THE SAKE OF KNOWING. LETS BLOW THIS OPEN WIDE.
    This is in the light for Mark Chattenburgh Referee Accused (innocent).


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    Racism is just one among many features people will use to categorise people as 'other'. It's the dark side of our social natures which makes us identify with people who are 'like' us to form stable communities.

    If you have a serious interest in how communities do this, you could do yourself a favour by reading a bit of Mary Douglas' work. Purity and Danger and especially Natural Symbols are fantastic works of social anthropology. Particularly in the case of Natural Symbols how the creation of in-groups and out-groups works in all kinds of societies.


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    As a species we have been 'civilised' for only a few millenia. This is insufficient time to evolve significant new behavioural patterns that are better suited to the cultures we now live in, where we are brought into constant contact with complete strangers.

    Instead our behaviour is attuned to life in a tribal society where a good rule of thumb was 'familiar person'=good .... stranger = bad. So we are programmed to view anyone who is different, in appearance, language, behaviour as bad. That is racism and it is very real.
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    So it really does not matter the color of ones skin, it is just a matter of time and getting used to each other.
    I think accusing people of being racist should not be brought, against the accused, if he gets on with others of the same background as the accuser.
    because not liking someone is not being racist.
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    Most of the type of 'racism' you hear about on television or read about in the papers is not racism at all, what in fact is going on or has happened is either someone has said (and it's nearly always, what someone has supposedly said) something either have deliberately tried to find the most offensive thing they could think of to wind someone else up or someone has felt so offended by what someone else has said they accuse that person of racism. The truth though in most cases it has nothing to do with race at all and is just a personal issue, where the offender would never actually dream of saying something so offensive to people they actually like regardless of colour.

    Real racism occurs where the offender has no other reason for their animosity towards someone other than their race, yet in most media cases it's always clear there is actually really some underlying reason why the offender wanted to be hostile, that had nothing to do with or went beyond the race of their target.

    For example the supposed racism we hear about in football, if it really was racism then how come it's always directed at people from other teams, never directed towards one's own team. If it was really just racism it shouldn't matter which team should it?

    Also how can we have groups that sopposedly protect one specific racial goups interests against racism, when they themselves are actively practicing racism in favour of their particular racial group, the whole things just daft, we should just scrap the whole idea of racism, teach people not to be offended by such things and ensure that any and every group has to represent everybody regardless of race. Then hopefully everybody might actually start to forget about any race issues and just see everybody as just people regardless of what they look like or background.
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    I am a white caucasian and have experienced some issues where people would call me racist. I am not racist and get along with every race really well. My penis however, is not educated and is a racist little fellow who ony gets hard for white caucasian chicks, preferably blondes. Having a fetish for body extremities like fingernails, I find black girl's fingers to be carved out of wood and plainly disgusting, along with many other features that have led me to avoid such relationships and sometimes labeled as a racist, although I am not, outside of my sex life. My question is, if I cannot get it up for all races, is it ok to be sexually racist while being respectful and not racist in your everyday life?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oxycodone View Post
    I am a white caucasian and have experienced some issues where people would call me racist. I am not racist and get along with every race really well. My penis however, is not educated and is a racist little fellow who ony gets hard for white caucasian chicks, preferably blondes. Having a fetish for body extremities like fingernails, I find black girl's fingers to be carved out of wood and plainly disgusting, along with many other features that have led me to avoid such relationships and sometimes labeled as a racist, although I am not, outside of my sex life. My question is, if I cannot get it up for all races, is it ok to be sexually racist while being respectful and not racist in your everyday life?
    Hey some people get turned on by fridges or shoes or any number of other things, it doesn't mean they are racist against humans all or of any particular race, it's just what gets them going, I really don't think sexual preference, fetish or anything of the like has anything to do with racism, furthermore racists can be educated and taught not to be racists. This suggests they do have some control over there racism, meaning it was probarbly a learned behaviour in the first place. However I not sure the same could be said for sexual attraction as paedophiles and homosexuals claim they have no control over their attraction, if this is true it's unlikely to be any different for hetrosexuals who won't have any control over what turns them on either. So again I find it very difficult to believe sexual attraction has anything to do with racism if people have no control over what turns them on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Genesis View Post
    This is in the light for Mark Chattenburgh Referee Accused (innocent).
    Glad to hear Mark Clattenburg was (rightly) found innocent, the charges were ridiculous, trumped up and second hand. This was just another crazy example of things being taken to stupid extremes. The referee could have had his career ruined by the false allegations. The charges levelled against him were not by the player he was accused of using a racist word against, they were made by a foreign player who was several yards away at the time. He was a referee, he had absolutely no need or reason to be racist, and he was wearing a microphone at the time, so all the other officials could hear everything he said. All that and yet he still had to go through that period of suspicion, being branded a racist by idiots on the internet, and suspended from his job.

    When things like this can happen because someone far away who can't even speak the language properly mishears a word then it's about time we pull back from all this ridiculous political correctness.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chrisgorlitz View Post
    being branded a racist by idiots on the internet
    Poor guy... That must be tough...
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    I'm afraid I heard a few racism stories yesterday. The real deal.

    People refusing to speak to their own children because they're seeing or have married someone with the wrong coloured skin. It seems that a fair number eventually come round, but some never, ever do.

    Which amazes me. I cannot think of anything that would make me or my husband tell one of our children we never wanted to see them again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by adelady View Post
    People refusing to speak to their own children because they're seeing or have married someone with the wrong coloured skin. It seems that a fair number eventually come round, but some never, ever do.
    When I flew back out to Singapore to marry my ethnically Malaysian wife I spent the prior evening with an aunt and uncle. They spent at least an hour trying to persuade me not to marry this "coloured person". Fortunately my parents had much more liberal attitudes. (Given that my father had committed the heinouos crime, as a Scot, of marrying an English girl, my transgression was comparably minor.)
    For the record I did fly out and thirty five years later we are still unhapppily married.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Galt View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by adelady View Post
    People refusing to speak to their own children because they're seeing or have married someone with the wrong coloured skin. It seems that a fair number eventually come round, but some never, ever do.
    When I flew back out to Singapore to marry my ethnically Malaysian wife I spent the prior evening with an aunt and uncle. They spent at least an hour trying to persuade me not to marry this "coloured person". Fortunately my parents had much more liberal attitudes. (Given that my father had committed the heinouos crime, as a Scot, of marrying an English girl, my transgression was comparably minor.)
    For the record I did fly out and thirty five years later we are still unhapppily married.
    Racism in Singapore as mellowed down more these days than say 35 years ago. But we do on occasion still see gleams of it every now and again, but that's has mostly been with the older generation and a couple of youngsters. Yes, the tenacity to still view ethnic/cultural differences as inferior/undesirable still exists. I think it is an occasional byproduct of establishing an assurance of a collective ethnic identity (not everyone belonging to that ethnic group harbors it, but some do). Identifying certain traits exhibited by a certain group and applying these identified traits (usually perceived to be bad/undesirable) on the entire group.
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    I draw a distinction between culturism and racism. Racism is a prejudice based on the colour of a person's skin, and other unimportant physical features, which are characteristic of populations from specific geographic origins. Culturism is a recognition that certain behaviours, which are sometimes undesirable, are common in certain population groups.

    I am a culturist, but not a racist. I find some behaviours that are characteristic of some cultures, very unpleasant. You could say this makes me prejudiced against people from those cultures. But it is more that I am prejudiced against certain behaviours. Like, for example, I have been accused of being anti-American, because I seriously dislike American gun culture. But it is the culture I dislike, not Americans.
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    I think the example John gave was dissappointing that anyone could have tried to dissuade him from being with the person that he loved, I think unless someone is damaging to you in some way then the people that love or care us about should support our choices about who we want to be with. I think though there are times when friends or relatives may try to persuade us from being with people of different races or religions because they don't want us to end up unhappy from suffering prejudice and discrimination by others, not because they themselves believe there is anything wrong with mixed relationships, so really there intentions are well meant if not their actions.
    However I find adelady's example somewhat more disturbing, I think that is an example of real discrimination and racism which is just plain wrong, love for ones children should always be unconditional regardless of their choices in life.

    I don't like the way the media overuses the terms racist or racism often in inappropriate cases imho, but unfortunately there are still cases of real racism and there are times when all of us hear about things that make us just feel angry as we know that they are just plain wrong.
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