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    I want to know whether the "Northern" armies throughout history showed a significant victory over "southern" armies per saldo. I mean this in a rather geological compas kinda way. Combined with people's subconscience view of the north- and south pole and gravity. Does demoralization beforehand exist anyway and could it be decisive that way in a battle or war?
    Does an army attacking from the north have a psychological advantage over a southern one? Or does a southern army perhaps has a psychological disadvantage
    North Vietnam vs. South Vietnam...the armistice Korea's. The USA civil war between north and south. Feels it not from a southern perspective in one's mind in vain to scale hamburger hill? It's always easier to run downhill, right?

    Sure there are east/west conflicts too, and my question extrapolates to pretty much all compas directions, be it NE,SW,NW, SE.


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    I think you will find that it has more to do with industrial base and support than purely geographic direction. North Vietnam had the advantages of knowing the terrain and utilizing effective tactics as well as the supply of weapons and equipment from China and other powers. Korea was similar in the supply and resources made available by China and other powers. In the American Civil war the North had a much stronger industrial base and this allowed for more rapid production where the south was primarily agriculturally based. Again Tactics also played a very large role in the wars. If it had anything to do with Geographical location then Germany should have been unsuccessful attacking more Northern countries. It was a combination of Americas involvement and the opening of the front against Russia that helped insure their eventual defeat. I firmly believe that if America had stayed out of the conflict and they had waited until they had secured Europe before starting the Eastward push we would have had a much different outcome to the conflict.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve555 View Post
    I want to know whether the "Northern" armies throughout history showed a significant victory over "southern" armies per saldo. I mean this in a rather geological compas kinda way. Combined with people's subconscience view of the north- and south pole and gravity. Does demoralization beforehand exist anyway and could it be decisive that way in a battle or war?
    Does an army attacking from the north have a psychological advantage over a southern one? Or does a southern army perhaps has a psychological disadvantage
    North Vietnam vs. South Vietnam...the armistice Korea's. The USA civil war between north and south. Feels it not from a southern perspective in one's mind in vain to scale hamburger hill? It's always easier to run downhill, right?

    Sure there are east/west conflicts too, and my question extrapolates to pretty much all compas directions, be it NE,SW,NW, SE.
    What is gravity's role in human conflict? Are you referring to the attractive force or the seriousness of the matter?
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    You seem to be equating North with "up" and South with "down". Surely this is just an artefact of the way we happen to draw maps. In Europe, until relatively recently, maps were traditionally drawn with West at the top. By your reasoning, this would have made the crusades an "uphill" struggle. Other countries have used different orientations in different places and times.
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    H.mmm. Japan came down from the North. I was "Downunder" in Australia. I looked at the Map in the Newspapers of that time and there were these great arrows with evil geinning faces at the points. All descending on Australia.
    Then along came the Yanks from the East. All we had to offer them was our girls. In return they pushed those evil arrows with the grinning faces right back up North. And for that this little boy will be forever grateful. westwind.
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    The OP makes an interesting observation.

    Despite how one perceives the directions of north and south, I see it as a matter of armed conflicts "between" latitudes instead "along" latitudes. Food production and general livability (arctic vs. temperate vs. tropical) are a function of latitude, and certain latitudes (particularly temperate zones) might offer greater resources/advantages than other latitudes, which can be the basis for conflicts. However, certainly, east-west conflicts have also occurred — Hitler most notably pressed both westward and eastward, and Genghis Khan and the Americans pressed westward.

    Conflicts aside, geographic names that differentiate substantial regions seem, in current times, to use twice as many "North" and "South" designations as they do "East" and "West" — N/S Korea, N/S Vietnam (formerly), N/– Ireland, –/S Sudan, Chinese provinces Hebei/Henan, Hubei/Hunan, and Hainan, and US states N/S Dakota and N/S Carolina as compared to East Timor, Western Sahara, Chinese provinces Shanxi, Shandong, Guangxi, Guangdong, and Jiangxi, and the US state West Virginia (and, formerly, E/W Germany, E/W Berlin, and E/W Pakistan). Perhaps people wish to differentiate between different climates. (Certainly this list is not exhaustive.)

    Perhaps the most obvious designation being "North Africa" separated from "Sub-Saharan Africa" by the Saharan Desert that essentially runs the entire breadth of the continent.
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