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    First, I want to say that I am aware that there are those who still refuse to believe that subliminal messages effect the mind. I want to make it clear that I am not looking for responses from those people.

    To those who accept that subliminal messages, and specifically visual subliminal messages effect the mind here is my question to you:

    How does doing something like reading a book play into this?

    I find myself being somewhat uncomfortable reading a text after much reflection on this subject. I know it seems like an irrational worry, but can someone explain to me how this works.

    If I am reading a section of a book, does the rest (the next page, the rest of the page I haven't read) effect my perception? If the rest is talking about something negative will that effect the way I feel. Do subliminal messages work only out of context? If it's saying "I went to get a coke" in the context of a character speaking is that going to have a different effect on my subconscious than if it said the same in no particular context, perhaps in an advertisement?

    I would really appreciate any thoughts at all on this subject.


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    Any opinion at all would be great.


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    Reading any text changes who we are. This is done subconsciously and consciously. We exist as entities of what we experience. What we experience is not always clearly laid out in terms of what we perceive. This is normal. This is reality and this is being human.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Derekjb View Post
    Do subliminal messages work only out of context? If it's saying "I went to get a coke" in the context of a character speaking is that going to have a different effect on my subconscious than if it said the same in no particular context, perhaps in an advertisement?
    I have read of some research that shows that cues like this have a greater effect if they are in a "natural" context rather than in an advert. This is why product placement is popular. I'm afraid I can't remember where it was though.

    From what I remember we seem to have some sort of filter that knows the purpose of an advert and so ignores the message more than if it is within a program or movie. But it seems to be fairly short-term. So if it happens in a movie, by the time the movie finishes you will have forgotten you wanted a Coke. But if it happens in a TV program you might be slightly more likely to get up and go to the fridge.

    That is slightly different from the "traditional" idea of subliminal messages; e.g. flashing an image on the screen faster than you can consciously perceive. There has been a lot of research on this, for example, flashing a happy or sad image before the subject reads some text can change their interpretation of the text. Again, it appears to be a very short-term effect. The Wikipedia page on "subliminal stimuli" seems to have lots of references to relevant research.

    They are both fairly weak effects though. For example, you would only go get a drink if you were thirsty anyway. And you might be more likely to pick a Coke if you have some (and like it).
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    Your welcome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Derekjb View Post
    First, I want to say that I am aware that there are those who still refuse to believe that subliminal messages effect the mind. I want to make it clear that I am not looking for responses from those people.

    To those who accept that subliminal messages, and specifically visual subliminal messages effect the mind here is my question to you:

    How does doing something like reading a book play into this?

    I find myself being somewhat uncomfortable reading a text after much reflection on this subject. I know it seems like an irrational worry, but can someone explain to me how this works.

    If I am reading a section of a book, does the rest (the next page, the rest of the page I haven't read) effect my perception? If the rest is talking about something negative will that effect the way I feel. Do subliminal messages work only out of context? If it's saying "I went to get a coke" in the context of a character speaking is that going to have a different effect on my subconscious than if it said the same in no particular context, perhaps in an advertisement?

    I would really appreciate any thoughts at all on this subject.
    It depends on what you already believe or hold to be factual. Look at the coke thing. A commercial about coke will try and give you reasons to like coke and to buy coke. If you agree with the commercial, then the commercial is preaching to the choir, however, if you dislike coke or think it is unhealthy, and the commercial can convince you differently, or convince you that the good aspects/feeling of buying a coke is greater than the negative, then you will buy one at some point.

    I think subliminal messages/images work but, they have to be powerful IMO. For instance, if one is selling coke, flash an image of a guy in a competitor logo'ed shirt bashing baby seals or something. In fact, and ironically, someone could read what I just wrote and not buy a soda from some of cokes competitors simple because the imagery of something being bashed has been planted and connected.

    Positive messages/images are effective too IMO.
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    I feel thirsty!

    What is subliminal for one may be bliminal for another...

    Another area of subliminal influence is auto suggestion... when something is implied over and over eventually the subject will accept it to be true. The words to not have to insist soemthing to be 'right'... just to subtly suggest it. People question and rebel against insistence, this is why reverse psycology is employed... To insist that coke is evil will probably do more to promote it than to insist it is good.

    Darren brown does a lot of interesting tricks by manipulating peoples subconscious minds... As a species... we have an enormous amount of knowledge on how to manipulate each other, much of it is subliminal, which is ofcourse very decietful.
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