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    Quote Originally Posted by vash31 View Post
    Cannabis also triggers protective mechanisms which are not yet fully understood.
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    Its for this reason that I think those kinds of assertions by anyone, regardless of their recognised expertise, are fundamentally unscientific and not directly actionable.
    Oh, the irony.

    So it is OK to assert that cannabis does not cause cancer or even protects against it, but it is unscientific to say that there is some evidence it may cause cancer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Strange View Post
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    Cannabis also triggers protective mechanisms which are not yet fully understood.
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    Its for this reason that I think those kinds of assertions by anyone, regardless of their recognised expertise, are fundamentally unscientific and not directly actionable.
    Oh, the irony.
    Cannabis is not used to cure anything, though I am not ruling it out. It enhances and expands mental activity.
    OTOH, I should like to know how the following drugs work on the brain without exhibiting the assumed "bad" side of cannabis.
    List of psychotropic medications - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    How many billions of dollars are spent on these prescription drugs? The irony is that cannabis might well replace a large percentage of these drugs if legalized.

    So it is OK to assert that cannabis does not cause cancer or even protects against it, but it is unscientific to say that there is some evidence it may cause cancer.
    But if we want to cure cancer we should use nanobees..... (bee venom is an excellent destroyer of cancerous cells)
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    TV is not mind-altering and addictive.
    Paper on TV addiction

    Twenty four of 237 adults surveyed agreed with the statement “I'm addicted to television.” They ranged from 18 to 72 years old. Respondents completed the TVAddiction Scale (Smith, 1986), Eysenck Personality Questionnaire, (Eysenck & Eysenck, 1975), Short Imaginal Processes Inventory (Huba, Singer, Aneshensel, & Antrobus, 1982), and Television Use Styles Inventory (Schallow & Mcllwraith, 1986–87). Compared with the rest of the sample, self‐labelled “TVaddicts” were more neurotic, introverted, and easily bored. They more often used TV to distract them‐selvesfrom unpleasant thoughts, regulate moods, and fill time. Thegroups did not differ in positive fantasy.
    Paper on Psychological Effects of TV

    Two studies investigated the extent to which heavy television viewing affects consumers' perceptions of social reality and the cognitive processes that underlie these effects. Both studies found evidence that heavy viewers' beliefs about social reality are more consistent with the content of television programming than are those of light viewers. The use of a priming methodology provided support for the notion that television is a causal factor in the formation of these beliefs and that a failure to discount television‐based exemplars in forming these beliefs accounts for its influence. Implications of these results for a heuristic processing model of television effects are discussed.
    It would be nice if you would back up your assertions with some kind of evidence
    Prove that legalization of cannabis is healthy to the society.

    From what I know, past history shows that country like China started to outlaw opium since they found it bad to their society, but then there's war (Opium War. Where British sell opium). So, why can't the same situation be the same with all addictive & mind-altering drug (is bad)? -Cannabis might be milder than cocaine, but its in the same category... its not painkiller, its somesort of recreational drug.

    Of course TV has its bad, so do internet. So are you willing to say Internet is worse than cannabis? (mind-altering & addictive drug is worse of all!). -So why say they all are same level? (if TV is that bad, then why is cannabis soo much more utopian to you? -its more like a dystopian (dysfunctional utopian))

    Also, when you put stuff like cocaine in your drink, in your food, and in your medicine... of course everything felt better. That's what people do when cocaine was legal long ago. They put it in drink, put it in headache medicine (more potent than paracetemol), put it in food (ie: in Peru they put coca plant in food), and what else to put it in? (what a ridiculous consumption!) - its like a more potent version of MSG but will hook you to them...
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    Quote Originally Posted by msafwan View Post
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    TV is not mind-altering and addictive.
    Paper on TV addiction

    Twenty four of 237 adults surveyed agreed with the statement “I'm addicted to television.” They ranged from 18 to 72 years old. Respondents completed the TVAddiction Scale (Smith, 1986), Eysenck Personality Questionnaire, (Eysenck & Eysenck, 1975), Short Imaginal Processes Inventory (Huba, Singer, Aneshensel, & Antrobus, 1982), and Television Use Styles Inventory (Schallow & Mcllwraith, 1986–87). Compared with the rest of the sample, self‐labelled “TVaddicts” were more neurotic, introverted, and easily bored. They more often used TV to distract them‐selvesfrom unpleasant thoughts, regulate moods, and fill time. Thegroups did not differ in positive fantasy.
    Paper on Psychological Effects of TV

    Two studies investigated the extent to which heavy television viewing affects consumers' perceptions of social reality and the cognitive processes that underlie these effects. Both studies found evidence that heavy viewers' beliefs about social reality are more consistent with the content of television programming than are those of light viewers. The use of a priming methodology provided support for the notion that television is a causal factor in the formation of these beliefs and that a failure to discount television‐based exemplars in forming these beliefs accounts for its influence. Implications of these results for a heuristic processing model of television effects are discussed.
    It would be nice if you would back up your assertions with some kind of evidence
    Prove that legalization of cannabis is healthy to the society.

    From what I know, past history shows that country like China started to outlaw opium since they found it bad to their society, but then there's war (Opium War. Where British sell opium). So, why can't the same situation be the same with all addictive & mind-altering drug (is bad)? -Cannabis might be milder than cocaine, but its in the same category... its not painkiller, its somesort of recreational drug.

    Of course TV has its bad, so do internet. So are you willing to say Internet is worse than cannabis? (mind-altering & addictive drug is worse of all!). -So why say they all are same? (if TV is that bad, then why is cannabis soo much more utopian? more like a dystopian (dysfunctional utopian))
    you are not providing comparable evidence that the legalization of pot will be a detriment to society, when asked you turn to much more addictive and dangerous drugs, eg cocaine.
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    The discussion of evidence regarding the relative dangers of drugs made me think of the Independent Scientific Committee on Drugs . David Nutt has written about cannabis and cancer: Smoke without fire? Scaremongering by the British Lung Foundation over cannabis vs tobacco David Nutt's Blog: Evidence not Exaggeration

    I'm sure much of his blog is worth reading.
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    Why people always care about the smoker's health, its not them that we are worried about. Why on earth are they keep focusing on how bad/good they are to health when we want more discussion about its effect on society. -Forget about the health stuff....
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    The problem is, you keep talking about the effects AFTER criminalization as if they are the same effects that were happening before criminalization, and as if they will be the effects that happen after decriminalization. They are NOT the same.
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    Quote Originally Posted by msafwan View Post
    Why people always care about the smoker's health, its not them that we are worried about. Why on earth are they keep focusing on how bad/good they are to health when we want more discussion about its effect on society.
    OK, and the evidence for relative effects of different drugs on society is ... ?

    Alcohol has very bad effects on society. We have an interesting experiment carried out in the USA in the 1920s when alcohol was made illegal. The result, not surprisingly, was the manufacture, distribution and sale of alcohol was taken over by criminal gangs (and the funds used to finance crime). Once it was made legal again, they dropped out of the business.

    Now I wonder what would happen if you decriminalised drugs which are currently manufactured, distributed and sold by criminal organizations ...
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    In Peru coca plant are not illegal, but terrorist seize control and turn them to cocaine lab. Why you believe a legal company can better handle this situation? -Do private company need Private Military Company too?
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    Quote Originally Posted by msafwan View Post
    In Peru coca plant are not illegal, but terrorist seize control and turn them to cocaine lab.
    For sale in countries where it is illegal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Strange View Post
    For sale in countries where it is illegal.
    Why is living condition soo bad for the consumer. Are they tied irrationally to the drug? -If so then they are a ridiculous commercial item.
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    Quote Originally Posted by msafwan View Post
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    For sale in countries where it is illegal.
    Why is living condition soo bad for the consumer. Are they tied irrationally to the drug? -If so then they are a ridiculous commercial item.
    This does not actually make any sense. Could you rephrase it so it make better grammatical sense please.
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    msafwan,

    I have a problem with the phrase "tied irrationally to the drug". It appears that you keep insisting that cannabis use leads inevitably to addiction (irrational compulsive use). This is not true.

    There are two types of addiction.
    a) physical addiction where the body becomes chemically dependend and "needs" (irrationally) continued use.
    b) psychological addiction where the mind becomes emotionally dependend and "wants" (irrationally) continued use.

    Cannabis does not cause a). The body does not go through withdrawal and there is no physical need to take the drug when "coming down". OTOH, nicotine and alcohol are physically addictive drugs. Sudden withdrawal from these drugs may even be dangerous.

    While cannabis may cause b), so can a host of other substances. It depends on the emotional state of the subject.
    Women, when stressed, often eat chocolate or sugary substances. it seems that the female psyche is calmed by these "drugs".
    Men, when stressed, try to distract themselves with sports and experiencing mental excitation. They tend to drink lots of coffee and other stimulating substances as well as physical exertion. Thus rather than seeking emotional comfort, men seek distraction and physical challenges.

    This is why we have the term "drug of choice", i.e. coffee, tea, coca, chocolate, which is different than "drug of compulsion", cocaine, opium, heroin, morphine.

    The soft non-addictive drugs are recreational drugs. I see no reason why a rational person would abuse these drugs. Even a favorite tv show ends and we patiently wait for next season.

    p.s. I am using generalizations and do not deny that some humans exhibit addictive behavior. But that behavior runs across the board and is not limited to psychotropic substances. Obsessive bahavior occurs naturally and is problematic in any environment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Write4U View Post
    OTOH, nicotine and alcohol are physically addictive drugs.
    I was reading about research on nicotine and its effect on the brain (so long ago, I have no idea where I'm afraid). I was surprised by how addictive it is. People can become physically addicted after just one cigarette. Alcohol, on the other hand, seems to be quite hard to get addicted to. For most people at least, there appears to be a genetic component to alcoholism that makes some people very susceptible to addiction.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Strange View Post
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    OTOH, nicotine and alcohol are physically addictive drugs.
    I was reading about research on nicotine and its effect on the brain (so long ago, I have no idea where I'm afraid). I was surprised by how addictive it is. People can become physically addicted after just one cigarette. Alcohol, on the other hand, seems to be quite hard to get addicted to. For most people at least, there appears to be a genetic component to alcoholism that makes some people very susceptible to addiction.
    Not surprisingly, alcohol makes sugars, probably the most abused drug of mankind.
    But withdrawal from alcohol can be devastating to the user. DT is a debillitating procedure and can lead to death. And damage to the liver is a well known side-effect of alcohol.
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    I was reading about research on nicotine and its effect on the brain (so long ago, I have no idea where I'm afraid). I was surprised by how addictive it is.
    Me too - so long ago I have no idea where to start looking. The thing that I remember was the reason why the addiction is so hard to kick.

    It turns out that nicotine can feel either stimulating or calming depending on how you use it. So the same person will use it as a pick me up in the morning with coffee and for alertness when concentrating on a task, and then use the same drug to soothe frazzled nerves after an upsetting incident or to mellow down with a drink after dinner.

    Makes it very hard to come up with a strategy for weaning people off nicotine. In fact, in terms of harm reduction, nicotine patches and gum may be the best option on a longer term basis and not just for quitting. The nicotine will still have an effect on blood pressure and the brain, but you can eliminate most of the lung, mouth, bladder cancers as well as other lung disease by cutting out the smoke.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Write4U View Post
    alcohol makes sugars
    Actually, the other way round. Sugars make alcohol through fermentation.
    Alcohol in the human body is broken down initially to aldehyde, which is toxic, and can have nasty effects, including hangover.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skeptic View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Write4U View Post
    alcohol makes sugars
    Actually, the other way round. Sugars make alcohol through fermentation.
    Alcohol in the human body is broken down initially to aldehyde, which is toxic, and can have nasty effects, including hangover.
    Oops, sorry, got it turned around.

    Did a little more digging.
    When heavy or frequent drinkers suddenly decide to quit 'cold turkey' they will experience some physical withdrawal symptoms -- which can range from the mildly annoying to severe and even life-threatening.
    The severity of these withdrawal symptoms is usually dependent upon how "chemically dependent" the chronic drinker has become. Those who drink heavily on a daily basis of course have developed a high level of dependency, but even those who drink daily, but not heavily and those who drink heavily but not daily, can also be chemically dependent upon alcohol.
    http://alcoholism.about.com/cs/withd.../aa000125a.htm
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    Quote Originally Posted by adelady View Post
    So how exactly is "smoke" defined in this context?
    Unless we move onto specific items, wiki will do the job quite well...
    Okay. Is that to say that any
    "collection of airborne solid and liquid particulates and gases emitted when a material undergoes combustion or pyrolysis"
    is carcinogenic? Or was your statement just in a practical sense for the setting of the topic? 'Cause I'm a little doubtful, yet open and curious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by epidecus View Post

    Okay. Is that to say that any
    "collection of airborne solid and liquid particulates and gases emitted when a material undergoes combustion or pyrolysis"
    is carcinogenic? .
    As I said before, every such 'smoke' that has been tested so far is carcinogenic. That is, it contains substances known to cause cancer. There are, without doubt, some 'smokes' which have not yet been tested, so we cannot state with 100% certainty that every smoke is carcinogenic, but it is a good general rule. At least so far.
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    That's where you get into specifics.

    Different fuels give off different compounds when burnt. Even the same fuel will give different products of combustion when burned at lower or higher temperatures, or mixed with other fuels, or damp rather than dry for solid fuels, or incompletely rather than fully burned. Though sometimes that is just a matter of more smoke being produced rather than the compounds within the smoke itself.

    Some fuels are inherently less problematic than others, eg natural gas as against practically all other likely fuels, kerosene rather than dung.
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    Sorry Skeptic, I didn't mean to ignore your post.

    Quote Originally Posted by Skeptic
    As I said before, every such 'smoke' that has been tested so far is carcinogenic.
    In your previous response, you provided different and specific types of smoke, saying that each was carcinogenic... So if you were implying this to mean in general that all smoke was carcinogenic, I'm sorry I missed the point. Anyway, I'm just surprised that such a general structuring of particles is so inexclusive of something so biological.

    Still, thanks a lot for the response.
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    Oh my, this thread killed me; funniest thread I read all week.
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    If weed was really going to help my glaucoma I'd find a way minus smoking to use it. Period.
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    I have read all post and still the essential answer of this topic remained unanswered. Why is alcohol legal and weed illegal?

    There is another question I would like to ask, what are the benefits of weed and alcohol? As a long-term user of both substances I found more negative then positive effects, but I strongly believe that if we manage to use these substances occasionally and in a smart way it will give us no room for bad effects.
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    Benefits of alcohol and weed?

    Well, if you're in a lot of pain or a stable relationship, they can cure both those problems.
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    Alcohol is lagal because the powers that be tried to make it illegal, and failed.

    Cannabis is illegal because the powers that be are stupid, stupid, stupid.
    Exactly the same reason exists to make cannabis legal, but politicians will not do the logical and sensible thing because they are afraid the voters will vote them out., and because they are stupid, stupid, stupid!
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    Quote Originally Posted by skeptic View Post
    Alcohol is lagal because the powers that be tried to make it illegal, and failed.

    Cannabis is illegal because the powers that be are stupid, stupid, stupid.
    Exactly the same reason exists to make cannabis legal, but politicians will not do the logical and sensible thing because they are afraid the voters will vote them out., and because they are stupid, stupid, stupid!
    The POT GROWERS DO NOT WANT IT LEGALIZED. Fact. Lord knows, I don't live in Humboldt County 10 month a year to not know that! They do NOT want it legalized because they would lose their edge on the market. It would become a legitimate business, which had to pay taxes and file returns and maintain data. It would be probably more corporate grown and the little patch growers certainly would not survive. Come here and ask a few. I have.


    And yes cannibas should be legal.
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    Pot is illegal because of the social stigma. Alcohol is legal because it's so embedded in our society that we can't take it away.

    Personally, I don't get it. I think smoking pot and getting drunk are stupid choices. But since when am I allowed to tell people what stupid choices they can and cannot make?

    Make pot legal and stop jailing people who smoke it. If someone gets behind the wheel of their car while they're high, THEN they go to jail. Why we feel the need to police what people do at home when it doesn't hurt anyone else is beyond me. As it is, by keeping pot illegal, people who buy it are having to go to criminals to get their hands on it. If it were legal, they could grow it in their basement and stop funneling money to criminal organizations.

    On a personal level, I don't really care as I have no intention of smoking pot. I only get concerned when our prisons are overloaded with disillusioned people who are burdening the taxpayer because they want to get high. Everyone loses like this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flick Montana View Post
    Why we feel the need to police what people do at home when it doesn't hurt anyone else is beyond me.
    Weirdly, it is legal to kill yourself in the UK, but it is illegal to do drugs "because they are dangerous".
    Go figure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RedPanda View Post
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    Why we feel the need to police what people do at home when it doesn't hurt anyone else is beyond me.
    Weirdly, it is legal to kill yourself in the UK, but it is illegal to do drugs "because they are dangerous".
    Go figure.
    Also in the UK we have a huge "Herbal highs" market of largly untested herbs and chemicals that nobody knows if they're safe until after people start getting ill or dying, yet these are perfectly legal to buy, unlike cannabis which as has been used for centuries with everybody knowing it's effects and safety record which is an imprisonable offence, totally bonkers!
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    Education is a terrible thing, coupled with the silly concept "democracy" it leads to the governed thinking they have the right to choose how they are governed.
    That is not how this governing thing is supposed to work.
    Let us end free education and redact the word "democracy" from all publications.

    The only alternative is chaos.
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    I think Sam Harris has some eminently sensible views on the subject
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flick Montana View Post
    Pot is illegal because of the social stigma. Alcohol is legal because it's so embedded in our society that we can't take it away.

    Personally, I don't get it. I think smoking pot and getting drunk are stupid choices. But since when am I allowed to tell people what stupid choices they can and cannot make?

    Make pot legal and stop jailing people who smoke it. If someone gets behind the wheel of their car while they're high, THEN they go to jail. Why we feel the need to police what people do at home when it doesn't hurt anyone else is beyond me. As it is, by keeping pot illegal, people who buy it are having to go to criminals to get their hands on it. If it were legal, they could grow it in their basement and stop funneling money to criminal organizations.



    On a personal level, I don't really care as I have no intention of smoking pot. I only get concerned when our prisons are overloaded with disillusioned people who are burdening the taxpayer because they want to get high. Everyone loses like this.
    I have advanced glaucoma. I'm considering it. Not smoking though....I can't. I sing. No smoking allowed. Brownies might be an idea, should I decide to see if this helps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by babe View Post
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    Pot is illegal because of the social stigma. Alcohol is legal because it's so embedded in our society that we can't take it away.

    Personally, I don't get it. I think smoking pot and getting drunk are stupid choices. But since when am I allowed to tell people what stupid choices they can and cannot make?

    Make pot legal and stop jailing people who smoke it. If someone gets behind the wheel of their car while they're high, THEN they go to jail. Why we feel the need to police what people do at home when it doesn't hurt anyone else is beyond me. As it is, by keeping pot illegal, people who buy it are having to go to criminals to get their hands on it. If it were legal, they could grow it in their basement and stop funneling money to criminal organizations.

    On a personal level, I don't really care as I have no intention of smoking pot. I only get concerned when our prisons are overloaded with disillusioned people who are burdening the taxpayer because they want to get high. Everyone loses like this.
    I have advanced glaucoma. I'm considering it. Not smoking though....I can't. I sing. No smoking allowed. Brownies might be an idea, should I decide to see if this helps.
    I know this is anecdotal, but I had a friend who was a wood sculptor with severe glaucoma who used THC to minimize the effects. He told me that he found excellent relief although temporary from smoking pot. Perhaps he liked to get high also, but I know he did have glaucoma and he had great confidence in the relief THC provided.

    I heard an opponent argue once that pot slows you down and what would happen to the economy if every one slowed down their productivity. My reply was for him to visit the deep south and try to find the patience to hear someone trying to construct a full sentence in the same time a New Yorker does. But apparently productivity in the south is not any less productive than anywhere else. This shut down that argument.
    Moreover, I have known musicians and poets who wrote their best music or lyrics after smoking pot.

    The key, as with any other potentially harmful substance like alcohol, sugar, caffeine, chocolate or addictive prescription drugs, is to use them in responsible moderation. Even water will kill you if you drink too much of it. Responsible use of soft drugs need not be illegal. However any destructive actions from drug "abuse" should be punished much like getting into an accident while under the influence of alcohol is a crime.

    One thing I find curiously disconnected from these discussions is the practice of dangerous sports. More people have died or been injured from violent sports than from smoking pot of which there are a lot more participants than in sports.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Write4U View Post
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    Pot is illegal because of the social stigma. Alcohol is legal because it's so embedded in our society that we can't take it away.

    Personally, I don't get it. I think smoking pot and getting drunk are stupid choices. But since when am I allowed to tell people what stupid choices they can and cannot make?

    Make pot legal and stop jailing people who smoke it. If someone gets behind the wheel of their car while they're high, THEN they go to jail. Why we feel the need to police what people do at home when it doesn't hurt anyone else is beyond me. As it is, by keeping pot illegal, people who buy it are having to go to criminals to get their hands on it. If it were legal, they could grow it in their basement and stop funneling money to criminal organizations.

    On a personal level, I don't really care as I have no intention of smoking pot. I only get concerned when our prisons are overloaded with disillusioned people who are burdening the taxpayer because they want to get high. Everyone loses like this.
    I have advanced glaucoma. I'm considering it. Not smoking though....I can't. I sing. No smoking allowed. Brownies might be an idea, should I decide to see if this helps.
    I know this is anecdotal, but I had a friend who was a wood sculptor with severe glaucoma who used THC to minimize the effects. He told me that he found excellent relief although temporary from smoking pot. Perhaps he liked to get high also, but I know he did have glaucoma and he had great confidence in the relief THC provided.

    I heard an opponent argue once that pot slows you down and what would happen to the economy if every one slowed down their productivity. My reply was for him to visit the deep south and try to find the patience to hear someone trying to construct a full sentence in the same time a New Yorker does. But apparently productivity in the south is not any less productive than anywhere else. This shut down that argument.
    Moreover, I have known musicians and poets who wrote their best music or lyrics after smoking pot.

    The key, as with any other potentially harmful substance like alcohol, sugar, caffeine, chocolate or addictive prescription drugs, is to use them in responsible moderation. Even water will kill you if you drink too much of it. Responsible use of soft drugs need not be illegal. However any destructive actions from drug "abuse" should be punished much like getting into an accident while under the influence of alcohol is a crime.

    One thing I find curiously disconnected from these discussions is the practice of dangerous sports. More people have died or been injured from violent sports than from smoking pot of which there are a lot more participants than in sports.
    My daughter about a year ago was talking about a person, who smoked pot, and I remember looking at her and saying..."NO WAY!!!!"

    Her response to me was interesting.

    "Mom, you'd be surprised how many people you don't think indulge do."

    I don't know what it's effect on me would be, as the last time, I was like 15 years old, and the strains of it have become much more potent, I am sure.

    I have asked my glaucoma doctor about it, and he doesn't believe it helps. I am getting to a place, that SOMETHING has to be invented or found. I am kind of running out of options here!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flick Montana View Post

    On a personal level, I don't really care as I have no intention of smoking pot. I only get concerned when our prisons are overloaded with disillusioned people who are burdening the taxpayer because they want to get high. Everyone loses like this.
    Yeah. It's getting pretty bad. Pretty soon they'll start releasing murderers and serial rapists just to make room for all the new pot users/sellers. So my niece might get assaulted and killed on the way home, but at least I don't have to worry that my nephew might decide to buy some weed, and not be utterly unable to find a seller......in Oregon.....

    Because if we keep it illegal, that will prevent him from being able to find someone to buy from, right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kojax View Post
    Yeah. It's getting pretty bad. Pretty soon they'll start releasing murderers and serial rapists just to make room for all the new pot users/sellers. So my niece might get assaulted and killed on the way home, but at least I don't have to worry that my nephew might decide to buy some weed, and not be utterly unable to find a seller......in Oregon.....

    Because if we keep it illegal, that will prevent him from being able to find someone to buy from, right?
    Not really, no... Prioritizing occurs and prison transfers occur.
    So they won't let a murderer/rapist off the hook to make room for a pothead, though they might let a pothead off the hook to make room for a rapist.

    A pothead is likelier to get early release, reduced sentence, alternative sentence, etc.
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    Sorry... wrong thread..
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    In Peru coca plant are not illegal, but terrorist seize control and turn them to cocaine lab. Why you believe a legal company can better handle this situation? -Do private company need Private Military Company too?
    They aren't illegal in Hawai'i either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kojax View Post
    Looking at this diagram..





    One really is left to wonder what all those extra shafts are for. It's not amazingly easy to put diagonal shafts into horizontally constructed masonry, and have it all line up.

    Religious motif if a hard sell when one and only one pyramid features those traits.
    What does that have to do with the thread? Are YOU high?
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    What does that have to do with the thread?
    It is a diagram of one of the oldest and largest bongs ever made.
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    LOL. If we take it from the position of those who prohibit it, cannabis makes you peaceful and alcohol makes you rage. You can't have a war with two armies of pot-heads, somebody will drop his weapon and both armies will laugh for the rest of the day. Alcohol and hashish, on the other hand... Why people want society to function this way is another question. By me, both substances are good with moderate use.
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