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    What treatments exist for schizophrenia? What causes the disease? Why do you think you are hearing other peoples thoughts and communing with the gods?


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    Cause? It's clearly some aberration from normal brain development / maturation. It quite predictably shows up in people from early puberty through to early adulthood. You're very unlikely to be first diagnosed with schizophrenia at age 42 whereas you might be diagnosed with depression or anxiety at any age from 7 to 70.

    And it's been known to have some inborn tendencies. This one is interesting.
    Exposure To Influenza During Pregnancy May Increase Risk Of Schizophrenia In Offspring

    Yet another reason for everyone to keep up to date with their flu shots.


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    There are many kinds of schizophrenia, and the causes may differ.

    For example : several forms of schizophrenia respond positively to some anti-viral drugs. Does that mean something? I do not know.

    Different forms, possible different causes, and definitely different treatments.
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    The incidence of schizophrenia is pretty consistently 1:100, across cultures, which strongly suggests a genetic component.
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    My younger sister was diagnosed with schizophrenia at age 32 and what a nightmare that was for me to deal with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mmatt9876 View Post
    What treatments exist for schizophrenia? What causes the disease? Why do you think you are hearing other peoples thoughts and communing with the gods?
    Hi all.... Persons begin vocalizing to themselves around the time they learn to read. The voices of our parents and teachers resound in the "ears" of our memory for many years.....This means most everybody in literate societies. It's part of the growth and learning processes.

    Why mis-assign the verbal messages emanating from our brains as being from "Gods" , or some sort of supernatural phenomenon?? Why not just understand it as : "This is reality, this is how my brain functions, I remember the voices of my parents, siblings and teachers"...?

    Do we ALL suffer from "schizophrenia", then?

    Personally I don't buy it.

    This so-called disease is treated with a variety of noxious, toxic drugs, some of which are not far, chemically from cheap "angel dust" type hallucinogens. Nasty side effects.

    One of my personal, off-the cuff reflections is that it's a disease more associated with IQ deficiency than a stand-alone condition, often given the catch-all term "Chemical Imbalance", usually applied where absolutely NO physical brain chemical measurements or tests have been conducted! I'm not a big proponent of psychiatry. It's pseudo science at best.
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    One of my personal, off-the cuff reflections is that it's a disease more associated with IQ deficiency
    Having had a couple of friends whose apparently normal-to-any-casual-observer children were diagnosed with schizophrenia during, or at the onset of, puberty I'd strongly disagree. The children in question performed perfectly normally at schoolwork (one showed a lot of promise) before everything went haywire.

    Anyone of normal IQ who is temporarily distracted for some reason doesn't do wonderfully well at thinking straight. If another person of normal IQ is constantly distracted by chaotic thoughts or voices from inside or outside their head, they won't do very well either. And some psychoactive medications do slow down or disturb thinking themselves.

    The simple statisitical fact that schizophrenia is universal across cultures and the incidence hardly varies from 1% of population is a pretty good indicator that a) it's real, b) it's unrelated to IQ. Why b)? Because in Western societies, we've only recently stopped isolating people of low IQ in institutions. The diagnosis rate for schizophrenia hasn't changed - unlike, say, autism where children are now diagnosed more accurately. The 'low IQ' diagnoses have gone down in almost exact lockstep with the increase in autism diagnoses.
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    Goldberg, just exactly what "tests of brain chemistry" would you suggest be applied and what is the correlation of results on the test to observed symptoms psychosis?
    I ask because I don't know of any workable chemical test that identifies psychosis.
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    Hearing voices as well as other kind of hallucinations is a product of the hyperactivity of the mesolimbic system in your brain. These are so called positive symptoms. They are usually treated with dopamine antagonists. Note that dopamine levels are not elevated in schizofrenia patients, antagonizing them only reduces the positive symptoms indirectly.
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    Hi
    Naturopathic doctors of this page The Effects of Heavy Metal Toxicity claims very high copper can cause a psychotic break from reality, a type of schizophrenia.

    There is scientific evidence of such phenomena? Have they FDA authorization to e-sell such 'natural chelators'?

    I was heard chronic LSD consumption can cause pychosis.
    Mine workers, factory workers can develope mental ill by heavy metal chronic exposure? But the toxic blends in many different factories, whose level of protection varies, can be studied accurately?
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    I want to know what are the symptoms of auditory hallucination. I want to know everything about auditory hallucination.
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    Auditory hallucination?

    The first thing to get straight is that you can 'hear' voices inside your head, and voices outside your head. (And there's one definite, very specific kind of hallucination that indicates nothing more than a vitamin deficiency/imbalance. Most aren't in this lucky category.)

    You can also 'hear' music if you've overdosed on caffeine or stress or both. Too Much Coffee Can Make You Hear Things That Are Not There

    The most common version that we see with obviously delusional people talking to invisible others on the bus or the train are clearly suffering from a schizophrenia or a similar psychosis - with inadequate, inappropriate (or missed) medication probably also in the picture.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bezoar View Post
    Hi
    Naturopathic doctors of this page The Effects of Heavy Metal Toxicity claims very high copper can cause a psychotic break from reality, a type of schizophrenia.

    There is scientific evidence of such phenomena? Have they FDA authorization to e-sell such 'natural chelators'?

    I was heard chronic LSD consumption can cause pychosis.
    Mine workers, factory workers can develope mental ill by heavy metal chronic exposure? But the toxic blends in many different factories, whose level of protection varies, can be studied accurately?
    Basic rule.
    Do not believe naturopaths.
    Those guys are not medical scientists and follow their own dogma, which is not often beneficial. I rather like what Dr. Harriet Hall (who writes as skepdoc for the Skeptic magazine) says about naturopathy.

    "What they do that is good, is not special. What they do that is special is not good."

    Naturopaths deliver good advice on things that I could just as easily give good advice. Good balanced diet and exercise, plus good stress management. Big deal. Your local bartender could do as much.

    However, what they do that is special is often harmful. Coffee enemas. Colonic irrigation. Fraudulent 'detox' programs. Homeopathic remedies etc.

    They are often anti-vaccination, and anti-pharmaceutical therapy. They will frequently cause people not to go to their doctors when they desperately need to go to their doctors. In other words, naturopaths are quacks.

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    'natural chelators'?
    Oh lordy, my eyes must have rejected these words rather than absorbing them.

    Chelation is extremely, extremely, dangerous. People die from chelation.
    Its medical uses are a) rare and b) for crisis toxicity o.n.l.y. It needs expert, moment-by-moment supervision, as well as the resources of a major hospital emergency department to cope with the initial crisis and to manage the process.

    A few families have nearly killed their autistic children by chelation "therapy" - in fact a couple of them did die. The whole idea that you should use such an extreme process because your body is 'out of balance' or suffering from 'toxins' is not just ludicrous, it's dangerous.

    Don't go there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by adelady View Post
    'natural chelators'?
    Oh lordy, my eyes must have rejected these words rather than absorbing them.

    Chelation is extremely, extremely, dangerous. People die from chelation.
    Its medical uses are a) rare and b) for crisis toxicity o.n.l.y. It needs expert, moment-by-moment supervision, as well as the resources of a major hospital emergency department to cope with the initial crisis and to manage the process.

    A few families have nearly killed their autistic children by chelation "therapy" - in fact a couple of them did die. The whole idea that you should use such an extreme process because your body is 'out of balance' or suffering from 'toxins' is not just ludicrous, it's dangerous.

    Don't go there.
    thanx

    My friend Joseph was diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia, but since the very begining of his pharmacologycal treatment he began to drink liquor, fast food addiction...
    All my 'special' memories of Joseph are carefully written in my notebook. All suggest me that he have no schizophrenia, but a Narcisistic Personality Disorder + an Antisocial Personality Disorder (DSM IV).

    His father have NPD and APD... (I GUESS. i was studied carefully the DSM IV)
    Joseph had no success in his administration career; then his depression started + arrogant attitude in public + harassing behavior + bossy + fastfood/liqueur/cigarettes addiction...

    We are really worry about him. 5 years of psychiatric treatment was completely unsuccesful. Have no hope at all.
    I would reallly appreciate any suggestions.
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    Hey folks, I've decided to present my work on Schizophrenia on this thread. (Hi Markus Hanke, TheObserver, and Strange. Even though you guys are Internet Trolls, I still love you sweeties. However, I've taken your negative Voice away from you...I will never return to view this thread again.)

    If anyone wishes to comment, debate, etc then feel free to PM me. There has only be ONE person who has attempted to understand and then try to disprove my work. If you're positive and open-minded then I'll respond nicely to you. However, if you're negative, then I'll tap-dance on your head. I don't care if you're a Fields Medal recipient from Oxford, or a renowned psychiatrist from Harvard.

    My thread has been posted since 6 Feb 2003, has almost 500 views...and only one response beside myself. Here it is:

    ESP + Schizophrenia + Cybernetics - Parapsychology and alternative medicine forums of mind-energy.net
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    Slumpnasty, I sincerely hope you'll read this reply.

    First of all, the so called 'thread' you posted doesn't really deserve the name of a thread, because you're just discussing YOUR theory with YOURselve and still you're hardly winning the discussion. Second, you mentioned your thread has been online since 2003 and, because I've never heard of your theory before, I assume it did not gain much evidence or support from scientists (since evidence leads to support) during those nine years. Third, this is a science forum. We LIKE evidence. We LOVE evidence. We LIVE for evidence. We don't agree without evidence. So please post some decent evidence for your theory instead of posting a link by means of advertising it.

    Schizofrenia IS a disease, always HAS been, and always WILL be. There are in fact several biomarkers which explain the symptoms (read my earlier reply) caused by genetic and environmental predispositions, and not by evolutionary adaptation. Evolutionary adaptation means that the symptoms ARE or once WERE beneficial for those who suffered them. I can't come up with ONE advantage of the positive and negative symptoms of schizofrenia patients including hallucinations and anhedonia, respectively.

    I will now describe the things I DO agree with so far. You posted:

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    If you're an actual Schizophrenic, then remember three rules:

    #1 Love and support yourself and others.

    #2 If you know of a bad place, then don't go there.

    #3 Take your "medicine"

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    Why would these three rules be specifically for Schizophrenic? I ALWAYS STICK TO THESE RULES MYSELF (by 'medicine' read 'beer').




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    you demonomants, hierophants.

    I drop my wisdom here, and you starts a war oŽ trollin
    Sacred cenobites!, diabolical eremits!,
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