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    Forum Freshman Patrick_94's Avatar
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    I've had an idea for a novel for the last few weeks, it's basically about a guy whose voice can control people's minds as it's just the right level to hit their brain at.

    I know that's very vague, could anyone help me develop the scientific side of it?


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    Dune novels have something called the Voice which is similar to what you appear to be looking for. What do you mean by control the mind?

    There was a movie (Looker?) about a pistol like device that projected a light that caused people to freeze without being conscious while paralyzed.

    Have you thought about a device projecting both electromagnetic waves and humming sound pattern as a catalyst for the protagonist's voice effect? The device could be created to be concealed as a walking cane which when a button is pressed a nearby person in front of the canes's knob is susseptible to brief suggestion(hypnotic command) or to suggestive misperception(hallucination).

    Voice and sound can affect someone else but typically in a very limited way. A sudden shattering shout at close range can cause brief fear reaction/hesitation, a semi intelligable blurb can cause someone to wonder what you are saying for a second, but finding a voice only reason to control someone in a complex way is quite a stretch imo.


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    Quote Originally Posted by icewendigo
    Have you thought about a device projecting both electromagnetic waves and humming sound pattern as a catalyst for the protagonist's voice effect?
    Er, no, I was almost thinking the opposite with his voice not working through telephone, recording etc. but I was thinking he could 'hypnotize' you, ie "jump off a cliff" and you'd jump off a cliff
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    It's a stretch, but you'd have to discuss how the harmonics of the voice created a pressure wave in a specific way which caused the neurons in the brain of the receiver to fire in a very specific pattern. Actions and thoughts are based on the firing and electrical signals of neurons in the brain. If you could manipulate those events and signal cascades in specific ways using sound (I'm pretty sure you can't, but it's a book, so whatever), then you could feasibly have a special person with a special voice which does that.

    Perhaps the sound causes the sodium potassium channels in nerve cells to open, and triggers a neural cascade that way. Maybe the sound causes the neurotransmitters in the synapse to flow in certain directions and trigger an action potential?
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    Low level vibrations (i.e. sound waves) can distort vision. Perhaps your character can induce hallucinations with that.
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    Depending on what you are looking for as far as limitations, it might be possible to say that the power is usually only (or more) successful when the target is tired at night.

    I think Dolphins and Orca can stun fishes with their sonar, maybe the protagonist could create a sonic vibration that puts the target in an absent minded kind of state for a couple of seconds(maybe longer if tired or caught while sleeping) and the protagonist finds out that the disoriented target is very susceptible to suggestions while in that semi-conscious state. When the effect wares off there might occasionally be lingering symptoms like struggling to speak either because the target is confused and cant find the words hes looking for or because the target is inhibited in a way thats similar to sleep muscle lock effect where the target wants to say a word but only utters half of the first syllable in an almost inaudible low volume and requires a few seconds of effort and until hes finally able to shout the word.
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    ^^ Sort of like when a boxer takes a nasty blow to the face... they get their "bell rung."
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    Great idea for a novel. Here's all the science you could wish for. See how the hypothesis explains god-kings and oracles.

    I got kinda stoned reading that.

    Maybe you could have the protagonist realize he's also commanding (a part of) his self. Then crisis & reconciliation as his superhuman values aren't aligned with his relatively childlike self.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pong
    Great idea for a novel. Here's all the science you could wish for. See how the hypothesis explains god-kings and oracles.

    I got kinda stoned reading that.
    There is some good information there, yes, but the concept of bicameral mind should be approached with a great degree of skepticism. It's a bit old-fashioned, and doesn't seem very well supported by any research. Neat ideas, mostly lacking in merit though. If the author is seeking a way to come across as relatively accurate to their audience given current science, then the bicameral mind concept is not one to be included in the story, even though it inspires such interesting ideas and discussion. I'd summarize by saying it's philosophy which approaches the idea as acceptable, not neuroscience.
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    Thanks guys! I'll have to look more into it, but ye've been a great help
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    control? like make them do bad?peoples words can be very annoying

    i think the sound wave holds the atom together
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