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  1. #1 How do we know that we know? 
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    Im curious as how the brain works .
    Lets say for instance that i have to pay a bill tomorrow.
    But during the day im not of course consciously thinking about the bill.
    Lets say im distracted by a good television series, or going to the gym and that the bill is far from my mind.
    What is it in me that still keeps me to not forget about the bill and recollect the memories of it in due time?
    Do you understand what im getting at?

    Another example, lets say someone just asks you a really obvious question that you know the answer to.
    Like, "Have you went to the moon today?".
    Of course the answer is no.
    But you dont even have to conscously travel your way through memory lane and see if you have been there because you just instinctively know that you have not been there.
    If that is the case then how does the wiring in the brain able to do that.
    It would mean that each and every memory experience that we have is connected and sending signals to our mind ALL the time for every millisecond of our life, though we are not consciously aware of it.
    Do we have a un conscious mind that looks after for our survival and is connected with our memories?Like person within ourself wich is beyond our control? Like our boss, and we, in our concious state is only acting as a secretary performing tasks/orders?

    Thanks for taking the time to read and hope someone can help me.
    A symbolic diagram of the process would help me understand this mystery a great deal...


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    The word is 'neccisity', when it comes to the bill, innate psychological drives from the reptilian brain is telling you that you are in for a stressful time in the mammilian brain if you do not deal with it.

    However that can be controlled and ignored, depending on where the signal is recieved. It can be recieved in the reptilian, mammilian or cortex (human brain). Whichever reacts first sends a chain reactioin. For instance some people are not bothered about bills and constanly ignore them. This may be due to the fact that due to experience of the bills and of not paying them that there is no reprisal against them and nothing nowhere near what orignally they thought was going to happen, actually happens.

    The sub-concsious brain is far more active than the conscious brain and is a lot more capable of abilities of creation and understanding than the conscious brain. The left vs right brain argument. A lot of scentists sit in one branch of the brain unable to see the bigger picture, then you have a lot of new-age broad sense minded people who see the bigger picture with no way to build it.

    The key is linking the two, and when the two do, there is perfect harmony of mind.

    So in essence the brain works in confliction with other parts of the brain, usually the most rational part takes charge (human brain) and then the mammilian brain and reptilian brain takes charge in different people. Many experiences of the mind are linked via memories, like a brane, they connect and send signals constantly in the sub-conscious and conscious brain which then connect to other parts of the brain to trigger certain reactions. One such example is a person who is insecure and worries a lot. Whenever they think of a bill or something alike, the brain sends a signal past the emotional part of the brain and they experience worry and upsetting emotions. The more they experience them the more those connections are re-inforced.

    Such an example is irrational fears such as heights, water, spiders, clowns etc. When one with such a phobia experiences those events, with no negative experience before the brain goes via fear, terror and other negative emotions, (signals via the mammilian brain). But when one is helped to understand that fear logically (human brain) the signal is passed via the human brain and the feelings of fear are absent. Its a matter of re-wiring thoughts and feelings around different parts of the brain.

    The most manic axe murderer and holy mother theresa can be programmed to be one and the other depending on how the brain is wired. Most people don't realise but we are being programmed every single day, hence our own individual habits, likes and dislikes. This kind of argument goes in favour of 'nurture' moreover than nature.

    In my opinion of that, nature is the hardwiring genetic similariities of the reptilian and mammilian brain to kin, however one's own individual expereinces (nurture) creates a whole different pattern in how those connections and signals are relayed from the reptilian and mammilian brains, to the conscious 'human' brain. Controlling these is what causes one to think about, or not think about the bill. This is why people say that time flies when you are having fun, or why you forget about 'important' events, or tasks. The brain is passing signals via the positive emotional parts of the brain, where the memory of the bill does not exist. If you act naturally and allow the sub-concscious brain work in harmony with the mammilian and reptilian brain, you would find more positive life experiences than negative ones.

    When you then think of something negative, or a negative emotion is spiked (say apprehension), BANG! The memory of that bill comes back. So to answer your question the brain works by using the human brain to relay emotions and feelings from the mammilian and reptilian brain. When one consciously uses the human brain incorrectly, one can create confusion and dis-harmony with oneself and one's thoughts, leading to worry, angst and unhappiness.

    It's all about thought (human brain) which then inforces feeling (mammilian brain), which then inforces action (reptilian brain).

    At any stage this process can be performed, from emotion to action to thought, from action to thought to emotion, or from thought to emotion to action.

    Interuptting any of these stages will cease the next. Taking an earlier example, the phobias I mentioned, at any stage the feelings of emotion, action and thought can be disrupted from the previous stage, in this example, emotion is stopped by thought (mammilian brain is stopped by human brain interruption).

    Perhaps this was a bit long winded, nevertheless the princple operates the same. Here is a diagram:



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    Thanks Quantime
    I had to read it twice to fully comprehend what you meant and I thank you for an excellent post.
    Regarding my second point, about memory, i just want to make sure if I understand the process so would you say this diagram is somewhat correct?



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    Does this mean that we are always getting signals from our memories to our un conscious mind?
    How does the process of knowing that we know something come about?
    We dont even have to conciously check in our memory database to see if the memory is there because we already know it beforehand.
    This is intriguing for me.

    PS. IN the picture, the "gate" would be what info the uncouncious mind want to transmit to the concious mind and what it does not want to.
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    Thank you for your kind words and taking the time to read my post too Dilleman.

    Yes the diagram is spot on, those memories can link at any point of the brain from reptilian to human. We always do get signals from our unconscious mind as these emotions are accessed, from simply thinking of events or experiences we automatically feel what we felt when we first made those connections.

    How does the process of knowing that we know something come about?
    From experience I'd say, it's probably moreover about the ability to be aware that we think, and as a result can think about thinking. That's what separates us from the animal kingdom I would imagine. We humans have such remarkable brains with such incredible potential.

    We dont even have to consciously check in our memory database to see if the memory is there because we already know it beforehand.
    You're right, our brains work perfectly at the level of intelligence we hold. It's quite remarkable that we became such brilliant creatures considering we're not that fast, or that strong or even that able to survive rough circumstances, but our uncanny ability to help each other out for the benevolence and empathy we love to share, that mother nature seems to have shown a soft spot for us

    I know we have our ups and downs as a species and we have seen ourselves at our worst, yet I believe in all our hearts and minds holds the ability to be better than what we are, to help each other. Some of us are simply lacking in love or have had the short end of the stick, leading to all kinds of expereinces and negative emotions as a result. It's much better to experience those emotions and let them out once and a while to free ourselves. I for instance to move emotion around in my mind will cry often, to free up space and keep the energy flowing, ironically there isn't much that rattles me (well there is a few when I am letting the reptilian brain do the talking )

    I agree with you about the gate; it's a good analogy, nice one. :-D
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    Yeah i agree with you there, its never good to bottle up emotions for too long.Sometimes a good movie will make my eyes water a little cus i find it hard to do on my own.
    And as for your post i thank you once again for your thoughts and insights in helping me figuring this out.
    Have a nice day
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