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  1. #1 Sectets of brainwashing revealed 
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    I am sure that you had already heard of brainwashing. However, I managed to get an old Soviet film which shows the method in practice. I have translated it from Russian for American sheeple

    http://ecclesiastes911.net/suggestion/


     

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    Quote Originally Posted by simus
    I am sure that you had already heard of brainwashing. However, I managed to get an old Soviet film which shows the method in practice. I have translated it from Russian for American sheeple.
    In no way am I trying to brainwash with my reply but that does not mean my comments are not the result of it. .... I think the student who said: the guy in the photograph probably drinks and the rest happens from there, is not going to be brainwashed so easily. A Russian that has probably had a drink is not hard to find so it was a safe statement. One of the female students said that looking at the photograph didn't provide enough information to form an opinion yet she did anyway. I think she is skeptical but because she wanted to impress the professor, fit in or not be confrontational, just fired off a line of bullshit. The rest of them seemed easily duped.

    Do you think you have been brainwashed into believing this video is the method in practice? You called Americans sheeple, an implication that in America we are more susceptible to brainwashing.....do you believe this and why?


     

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    We do seem to see bad intent in asymmetrical faces and the like.

    One should wash the brain as well, during one's monthly bath and shower, but not outdoors in winter, for water on the brain may accumulate, soon turning to ice, after which many things may begin to slip your mind.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by questor
    We do seem to see bad intent in asymmetrical faces and the like.

    One should wash the brain as well, during one's monthly bath and shower, but not outdoors in winter, for water on the brain may accumulate, soon turning to ice, after which many things may begin to slip your mind.
    I wonder how many times I have listened to someone speak religion and thought that the person doing so is totally brainwashed. This is what I used to think when I was a young atheist but now I'm convinced that not all are, some are smarter than that and totally play the game for a reason. Whether it be to fit in, love, socialize or even if the motive is financial gain, not all who talk the talk, walk the walk. Religion by convenience, purely selfish, and totally fraudulent.
     

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    And the religions clash with one another, always have some kind of Supernatural Bowl, for the sheer existence of the others seems to lessen the creditability of one's own.

    Have to go; Jehovah Witnesses are knocking again, and they will be telling me their same old evolution story that a dog cannot turn into a cat.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by zinjanthropos
    You called Americans sheeple, an implication that in America we are more susceptible to brainwashing.....do you believe this and why?
    Because you have Jackson Pollock in National Art Gallery. How did you get to believe that this is great art?
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by simus
    Quote Originally Posted by zinjanthropos
    You called Americans sheeple, an implication that in America we are more susceptible to brainwashing.....do you believe this and why?
    Because you have Jackson Pollock in National Art Gallery. How did you get to believe that this is great art?
    So your personal tastes in art gets to dictate whether a nation of over 307,000,000 very diverse people and subcultures are "Sheeple" or not.

    Somehow I don't think it works that way, and that you are massively over generalizing a complex group to support your own personal beliefs with no backing evidence that you have any viable reason to.
     

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    The work of one of the most influential painters of the 20th century in an art gallery? Heresy!

    Simus, yet again you display your complete lack of understanding of art. Everyone is aware that Pollock's paintings are paint splattered randomly on a canvas. What you're ignoring is what this meant philosophically from the position of abstract expressionism. And more importantly, that Pollock was one of the first people to do it.

    And I got 100% on your quiz. So, apparently some of us can tell the difference.

    Edit: Although I think you'd have to be brain dead not to be able to recognize dripping technique patterns, which are not the same as a just splatter pattern.
    "I almost went to bed
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    the four white violets
    I put in the button-hole
    of your green sweater

    and how i kissed you then
    and you kissed me
    shy as though I'd
    never been your lover "
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    Quote Originally Posted by i_feel_tiredsleepy

    And I got 100% on your quiz. So, apparently some of us can tell the difference.

    Edit: Although I think you'd have to be brain dead not to be able to recognize dripping technique patterns, which are not the same as a just splatter pattern.
    Not being an art fancier I took the quiz and scored 100% also. Although I have to admit dripping technique and splatter pattern are good clues as to what to look for.

    Because you have Jackson Pollock in National Art Gallery. How did you get to believe that this is great art?
    He is? I believe? What is great art for you?
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by simus
    I am sure that you had already heard of brainwashing. However, I managed to get an old Soviet film which shows the method in practice. I have translated it from Russian for American sheeple.
    Brainwashing, isn't that another name for advertizing? Big business doing their best to convince you their product is the best you can do for the money. Very insidious even if you know what they are doing, you still have a tendency to fall pray to it.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paleoichneum
    So your personal tastes in art
    And that black is black - is it also my personal taste?
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by simus
    Quote Originally Posted by Paleoichneum
    So your personal tastes in art
    And that black is black - is it also my personal taste?
    Nice job of not actually responding to anyone, but instead posting a nonsensical statement with no relevance to the discussion.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paleoichneum
    Nice job of not actually responding to anyone, but instead posting a nonsensical statement with no relevance to the discussion.
    Your message shows that you did not read the article linked in the original post. In one of the experiments the subject under conformism said that black is white.

    He explained his conduct in this words:

    I felt embarrassed before my comrades. Because they were so knowledgeable, could emphasize things so competently, could notice every small detail, compare and link everything together.
    Could it be that the high status of masterpieces of modern art is not challenged because people feel embarrassed before the Trotskyite art-dealers? These comrades are so knowledgeable, can emphasize things so competently, can notice every small detail, compare and link everything together.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by simus
    Quote Originally Posted by Paleoichneum
    Nice job of not actually responding to anyone, but instead posting a nonsensical statement with no relevance to the discussion.
    Your message shows that you did not read the article linked in the original post. In one of the experiments the subject under conformism said that black is white.

    He explained his conduct in this words:

    I felt embarrassed before my comrades. Because they were so knowledgeable, could emphasize things so competently, could notice every small detail, compare and link everything together.
    Could it be that the high status of masterpieces of modern art is not challenged because people feel embarrassed before the Trotskyite art-dealers? These comrades are so knowledgeable, can emphasize things so competently, can notice every small detail, compare and link everything together.
    No I did not read the linked site as I feel the discussion should be here and the evidence should be provided here. The thread should not be used as a means to generate traffic to your personal website.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paleoichneum
    No I did not read the linked site as I feel the discussion should be here and the evidence should be provided here. The thread should not be used as a means to generate traffic to your personal website.
    Would it be OK with you if instead of my site I link to Neue Zürcher Zeitung?

    Mein Statistiker hätte das malen können

    Now, perhaps, you can address the issues?
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by simus
    Could it be that the high status of masterpieces of modern art is not challenged because people feel embarrassed before the Trotskyite art-dealers? These comrades are so knowledgeable, can emphasize things so competently, can notice every small detail, compare and link everything together.
    No, because no link has been demonstrated, you're just making baseless conjecture. All that study really shows is that people are willing to rate charismatic people highly and that people are willing to lie to conform to their expectations of other people. Big woop, those two observations are entirely inane.

    If you want to challenge the value of Jackson Pollock you should be able to refute arguments for his historical significance and influence on contemporary aesthetics.
    "I almost went to bed
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    the four white violets
    I put in the button-hole
    of your green sweater

    and how i kissed you then
    and you kissed me
    shy as though I'd
    never been your lover "
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    Quote Originally Posted by i_feel_tiredsleepy
    No, because no link has been demonstrated, you're just making baseless conjecture. All that study really shows is that people are willing to rate charismatic people highly and that people are willing to lie to conform to their expectations of other people. Big woop, those two observations are entirely inane.
    What are you talking about? What charismatic people? You relly need to take a sleep.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by simus
    What are you talking about? What charismatic people? You relly need to take a sleep.
    Uh, your example of the actor with the classroom, which you like to parrot up and down every thread you post in, which is also linked on the page in the first post.

    Maybe you should reread your own website .

    Edit: Although, I should have wrote "those studies" because I was speaking of two separate examples from your page.
    "I almost went to bed
    without remembering
    the four white violets
    I put in the button-hole
    of your green sweater

    and how i kissed you then
    and you kissed me
    shy as though I'd
    never been your lover "
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    Quote Originally Posted by i_feel_tiredsleepy
    Uh, your example of the actor with the classroom, which you like to parrot up and down every thread you post in, which is also linked on the page in the first post.

    Maybe you should reread your own website .

    Edit: Although, I should have wrote "those studies" because I was speaking of two separate examples from your page.
    I did not mention any charisma in my article on Doctor Fox as well.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by simus
    I did not mention any charisma in my article on Doctor Fox as well.
    It's in the abstract of the original study, which was what the study was attempting to demonstrate. It should be noted that the study conductors also specifically chose audience participants who were not experienced or knowledgeable about the subject which was being lectured about.

    Which per usual you extrapolate to mean something completely unrelated.
    "I almost went to bed
    without remembering
    the four white violets
    I put in the button-hole
    of your green sweater

    and how i kissed you then
    and you kissed me
    shy as though I'd
    never been your lover "
    - Leonard Cohen
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by i_feel_tiredsleepy
    It's in the abstract of the original study, which was what the study was attempting to demonstrate. It should be noted that the study conductors also specifically chose audience participants who were not experienced or knowledgeable about the subject which was being lectured about.

    Which per usual you extrapolate to mean something completely unrelated.
    I put the video of the original lecture on my website. I did not detect anything charismatic in Dr. Fox performance. Are you able to draw your own conclusions or can only parrot the abstract?

    Columbus attempted to find a new way to India. The notion that he discovered a new continent must be an unrelated extrapolation.

    Of course, I analyze the study taking into account my own experience. At one time I took a course in flying and got a private pilot license. Would I have been taught by Dr. Fox I wouldn't have landed. Or wouldn't even take of or even start the engine.

    And what is your background? Can you do anyhing other than teach us the advanced meaning of the writings of Susan Sunday and the paintings of Jackson Pollock?
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by simus
    I put the video of the original lecture on my website. I did not detect anything charismatic in Dr. Fox performance. Are you able to draw your own conclusions or can only parrot the abstract?
    Nonsense, I'm already biased it doesn't matter. What the study showed was that charismatic speakers, who are entertaining and engaging, are likely to be believed to be informative by an audience inexperienced with the topic being spoken about. Can you do anything other than just state your conjecture as inalienable truth and fling insults at Americans and anyone who disagrees with you?

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    Columbus attempted to find a new way to India. The notion that he discovered a new continent must be an unrelated extrapolation.
    Those two sentences are perfectly meaningless.

    Quote Originally Posted by simus
    Of course, I analyze the study taking into account my own experience. At one time I took a course in flying and got a private pilot license. Would I have been taught by Dr. Fox I wouldn't have landed. Or wouldn't even take of or even start the engine.
    So?

    Quote Originally Posted by simus
    And what is your background? Can you do anyhing other than teach us the advanced meaning of the writings of Susan Sunday and the paintings of Jackson Pollock?
    Microbiology and immunology. (But this is also entirely irrelevant)
    "I almost went to bed
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    the four white violets
    I put in the button-hole
    of your green sweater

    and how i kissed you then
    and you kissed me
    shy as though I'd
    never been your lover "
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    Quote Originally Posted by i_feel_tiredsleepy
    Can you do anything other than just state your conjecture as inalienable truth and fling insults at Americans and anyone who disagrees with you?
    Yes. I have a SCUBA licence. Also I climbed Mt. Whitney this month

    http://reverent.org/photos/v/whitney...N0780.JPG.html


    In addition, I did not insult the Americans. The expression "American sheeple" is not of my manufacture: http://www.theamericansheeple.com/
    Who really insults America - are those who put degenerate art in National Art Gallery.

    Quote Originally Posted by i_feel_tiredsleepy
    So?
    Just nothing. Your ability to ride a bycicle is a higher achievement than my flying an aeroplane. Because you are an Einstein. And your ability to defecate in your pants is a higher value that my parachute jumping. Because your ability to defecate in your pants is universal human values, while my parachute jumping is Russian Fascism.
     

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    Nipping this in the bud. This thread isn't going anywhere. Any objections can be made via pm. I'll consider re-opening it if good enough motivation is given.
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