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  1. #1 Social structure and behaviour in the movie "2012" 
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    Hello;

    The physics in the movie is pure fiction, but I am wondering about some other aspects.

    When facing a disaster of similar proportions, how long would humanity remain organized along existing structures?

    A couple of things happen in the movie which I do not think would happen in reality:

    1) The project of designing and building the arks, selling tickets and finally admitting passengers involved a lot of engineers, workers and security personnel that would not themselves be saved. It seems improbable that they did not know what was coming. Why would they continue working in their roles, rather than try to steal a ride (in the movie, only one Chinese worker did) or contrive their own makeshift arks for themselves and their loved ones?

    2) The tickets were sold at a staggering price of EUR 1,000,000,000. Who took that money? Did they just cover the expenses, paying workers and suppliers who wouldn't live to spend their pay? Or did they make any profit? If they made a profit, where did they expect to spend it, once the countries that issued the currency have been erased from existence and the money has become meaningless?

    3) Once aboard the arks, the heads of state still speak with authority, each of them voting "in the name of their nation" to open the boarding gates to the distressed crowd on the pier. Isn't it a bit rich to speak in the name of constituents they have left behind to die? And why would anybody listen to them?

    I am also curious how the society would reorganize and rebuild any civilization after the arks have arrived at the Cape of Good Hope (the "2012" equivalent of Mount Ararat); this aspect is not covered in the movie at all.

    Thanks in advance for any thoughts.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Leszek Luchowski
    Hello;

    The physics in the movie is pure fiction, but I am wondering about some other aspects.
    The other aspects are also pure fiction.

    1) The project of designing and building the arks, selling tickets and finally admitting passengers involved a lot of engineers, workers and security personnel that would not themselves be saved. It seems improbable that they did not know what was coming. Why would they continue working in their roles, rather than try to steal a ride (in the movie, only one Chinese worker did) or contrive their own makeshift arks for themselves and their loved ones?
    Engineers:
    a) are altruistic
    b) have secret arks already built for their escape
    3) are stupid

    2) The tickets were sold at a staggering price of EUR 1,000,000,000. Who took that money? Did they just cover the expenses, paying workers and suppliers who wouldn't live to spend their pay? Or did they make any profit? If they made a profit, where did they expect to spend it, once the countries that issued the currency have been erased from existence and the money has become meaningless?
    The engineers took the money and used it to bail out the banks, who used it to give their executives massive bonuses. The engineers got the last laugh as a Euro was soon worth precisely $0.0000000001.

    3)Isn't it a bit rich to speak in the name of constituents they have left behind to die?
    It's a metaphor for Republicans on health care.

    And why would anybody listen to them?
    Why indeed.

    I am also curious how the society would reorganize and rebuild any civilization after the arks have arrived at the Cape of Good Hope (the "2012" equivalent of Mount Ararat); this aspect is not covered in the movie at all.
    In the sequel the engineers arrive in their secret arks and are raised up as gods and presented with beautiful virgins and golden statues. They build a gleaming city on a hill and organize things the way they ought to have been in the first place.

    Thanks in advance for any thoughts.
    You're welcome. I suppose I should go and see the film now. We saw Sherlock Holmes over the holidays. Quite disappointed I was, although the wife pointed out how buff Robert Downey Jr. looks with his shirt off.


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    Have not seen the movie.

    Groups of people sometimes act with denial. Passengers of the Titanic for example. Many lifeboats were only partially filled, because people standing around on deck were more psychologically comfortable remaining on the ship's deck than climbing into a boat. This is not a very sexy behaviour to depict in movies. Another example my aunt witnessed during the 1980 eruption of Mount St. Helens while driving on the highway. From her vantage point the ash plume looked very much like a nuclear mushroom cloud. Everybody got out of their cars and took photos, and with detached chatty calm speculated about which cities the Russians had hit.

    I guess different spirits can overtake a mob. It might be a little start, and then develop to full group-think consensus.
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