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    Seeing as evolution has taken a turn for the more intellect side, favouring the more intelligent to survive and breed, how is the importance of social skills essential in the development and modern evolution and society, maintaning our older, yet present behvaiours in a technologically, and civilised world?

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    How is the transition of physical combat to mental combat, with the physical still wanting to be dominant, going to be in terms of human beings becoming more civilised?

    Now to start with, humans by no stretch of the imagination are civilsed, if society was not structured with cultures, religion, orders, science and other memes being the fabricating glue holding us all together, society's physical memebrs would break it down into nothing.

    First and fore most I believe that every single day, the urge to dominate and feel higher than others coming from a social insecurity as such, eminating from the basics of the reptilian brainis quite common among our society. However, these people that are masters of social manipulation (mostly women and charismatic men) use such tactics to advance not only their personal relationships and also their careers, and yet as such manage to mask it under social politness, perfectly fine... and yet do not look guilty when they initialise verbal attacks that are clearly designed to put down or get a higher position (I for one know that attack is important, yet only for self defense or to advance ones life to be able to teach others).

    You see it all the time, a harmless tease you will know it is harmless if the tone and the body language of the person using it is perfectly presenting that, however there are times when you will notice people make out to do these things, as a tease yet you hear in their voice they are trying to put you down, or get you to look a jerk, and in reality they are trying to lower you in front of everyone... still as if they're not the bad guy, basically the same as if you were in a tribe and another male or female came up to you and attacked you. As such; a pecking order.

    Now what do you do? Not only is this an attack on you, maybe a subtle one, you still have to counter attack and show that you are not willing to bow down to them, any kind of RE acting, or defensive behaviour will instantly put you down and lowered and as such, your position in society will be lowered.

    Now I do not know why people would want to do this other than being playful, yet it seems apparent to me as though is is the equivalent of old school fisty cuffs.

    The most concerning matter on my mind is that although I am now aware personally, and can combat these tactics due to my training, I can see that most of society as a whole (mostly guys) is completley oblivious to this reality and think that we all live in a fairy tale world where we are all equals... I am assuming that older members of the forum (as in age, their own age) will know what I am talking about. Its a sort of mature enlightenment, the age old "If I knew then what I know now" and personally I believe that any man or woman that wants to get far in life, and really live life as an Alpha (as we all should be) then we need to get these tactics and conversational karate down.

    So other than the initial question, my question here is:

    Do you think that conversation in the modern world, is as important to your success in life as your ability to fight physically and win when we were primitive animals?

    Obviously you will say yes, because you say "I can talk and do so, so of course I'm going to say yes". Yet bare in mind, some people's conversation, presence, power etc in talking nowadays in an attempt to gain power or 'step up the ladder' and not be made submissive... is about the equivalent to a finger flick in the wild old world...


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    Interesting idea, although I'm not sure a reactionary verbal strike is always necessary. Sometimes it's the wiser strategy to remain silent. Or better yet, to never become the target of another's verbal sumo in the first place.

    What do you think?


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    That sounds effective. What situations would you say you would use such tactics?

    For instance, if you are being dominant and alpha then you will be a target and I believe that being alpha is the only way, so being a target is always going to happen. Dominate or be dominated.

    What about effective non reacting? It is best to act instead of being and taking what someone is targeting you, wouldn't you say?
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    Did you ever see someone try to shoot Superman? The bullets just bounce off him. Words are kind of like that.


    I would remain silent, for example, if someone is trying to razz me because I root for a sports team that they don't like.

    Or if it's someone I will never see again, like a guy in a pub or something.

    I might break the silence, for example, if I feel someone else is being wrongly attacked and I have the knowledge that can refute the attacker.

    Sometimes you can say things without saying things, like with a look, or body language.


    I don't know really... I don't really encounter these situations.
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    They are not people, they are psychopaths.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Twit of wit
    They are not people, they are psychopaths.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quantime
    For instance, if you are being dominant and alpha then you will be a target and I believe that being alpha is the only way, so being a target is always going to happen. Dominate or be dominated.
    If you believe you always must dominate, how are you different from "them"?

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    This point comes up a lot in FMA. I often win by not caving in to intimidation tactics. I don't think that people need to throw their weight around verbally, in my mind that simply acts as a preliminary defense mechanism. If you act a certain way, it is probably based on past experiences or need. I would be most wary of the guy talking on his cell phone or surfing the internet before a match.
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    I just talked about a very similar topic in another thread earlier today. I hope no one minds that I'm going to copy and paste to save myself some time. I was responding to the subject of problems within the schooling system, referring to this topic as a way of improvement.

    "Schools allow hierarchies to form within social groups that are a reflection of our own history as a species. Many children climb in social status by effectively dominating others, tactlessly demeaning their peers as a way of increasing their popularity among the rest. The success that they achieve is never questioned and encourages others that they have put down to follow suit on all those 'below' them until the full hierarchy is complete with the people at the bottom being those who chose not to take part in conflict and competition, and instead become fully defensive out of fear and create subconscious issues that cause anxieties.

    Things like this are what cause conflict and war in the world when each generation comes into political power. The intellectuals of the world who usually found themselves at the bottom of the social 'food chain' are full of repressed anger from their abusers and seek to oppress others as an outcome. If our schools begin trying to correct this in some way, and manage to achieve peace within the social groups of school systems, the cooperative harmony of our youth would translate into a golden era in the future"

    I know from my own personal experience that simply being quite won't make you invincible. I was ridiculed in high school for being silent; people believed I was a psychopath murderer who never talked, and used the jokes they made against me to get an easy laugh from their own circle of friends and gain confidence.

    I would say that in the end, it is an issue of the ego. In our current transition that you speak of, I believe that the ego is an important factor to overcome, as it is our justification of everything we do, ethical or not. I believe that such confrontation is borne of competition for instinctual reasons over mating, which is what our evolution has always been about, as well as all other animals. The fact that the sexual preference of society is changing is causing a new type of competition between physical and intellectual fronts. The physical side realizes that they are lacking something intangible, that they cannot physically resist, and compensate by achieving the same goal of physical attack: damage. to damage the intellectual makes them look weak by comparison with nothing to throw back other than words which will never do anything but at the very best redeem themselves; anything more is in the hands of the observers who are the true dictators of the effectiveness of either method. For example, if an intellectual were then to point out the competetive nature of another, as I often do, it is then up to the observer to realize the meaning in this: that this need to compete is actually one's ego justifying their own fear of losing to the opposition and deciding to take offensive action. Damage.

    Sorry, I tend to lose my train of thought a lot with ADD and all, but I hope I got my point across.
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