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    As someone living in South London in the UK, from my youth it appears to me that our society is beoming more and more violent and people are becoming more and more intolerant towards each other. Id like to know your thoughts...


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    Well, it depends. If you compare our society to the societies in the middle ages or even the state of affairs at the beginning of last century, you can see we are getting less and less violent on the large scale, and more and more tolerant towards others and the ones different from us. We don't see public hangings or executions for instance, and the majority of nations abhor any form of torture and uncalled violence.

    I normally don't agree nor even quote anything that Steven Pinker says, but I believe he is spot on right in here:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xjpm5vbNGdE


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    Quote Originally Posted by leohopkins
    As someone living in South London in the UK, from my youth it appears to me that our society is beoming more and more violent and people are becoming more and more intolerant towards each other. Id like to know your thoughts...
    And I agree. Therein however lies the importance of the subject, maybe society is getting more and more violent and if you remember several centuries ago that murder was common place, along side witch hunts and all kinds of the good old social gatherings of the medieval days, today is a walk through the garden of eden's YMCA in comparison.

    I believe that the intolerance comes from impatience, a lack of impatience for others is due to members of society becoming more closed off and less empathic. The reasons for this are entities in society such as cultural groups, government political correctness, feelings of injustice etc, the list goes on. A long time ago people were more content and happy with their lives because they were as a whole patient and grateful with their lives. This created confidence and happiness, releasing certain hormones in the brain allowing for good feelings and of course the better you feel, the better you are likely to treat others.

    The solution is simple. Self Confidence, Self Discipline and a Sense of Humour. With these resepct, trust, awareness and social maturity surely follow. Personally speaking there ought to be classes in schools on how to interact with other people the way EVOLUTION has taught us to, not how the last 30 years of political correctness tells us to be. Men be men with a dash of a feminine side about 66% male, 33% male and women be women about the same. Its called balanc; yin yang.

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    [quote="leohopkins"]As someone living in South London in the UK, from my youth it appears to me that our society is beoming more and more violent and people are becoming more and more intolerant towards each other. Id like to know your thoughts...[/quote


    REPLY: Hello leohopkins, I am from the USA and have never been to London. The one thought that immediately passed through my mind was how very unhappy I was living in some of the worst neighborhoods of Boston,though by no means the very worst, how sad I feel about having put with that sort of stuff for as long as I did. I have since moved to an area that is not that way and am much happier there. People are genuinely kind and decent toward each other at all times.
    And one of the ironic things about it is that I pay so much LESS for rent. The entire Boston area is so pricey I relocated to the midwestern USA.
    I don`t know much about the UK, but are there other areas of the Country you can relocate to ? My big regret is that I spent over 30 years of putting up with the sort of stuff violence for no good reason. As far as violence as a World Wide phenomonen I don`t think it has gotten worse. The entire history of mankind is replete with violence. What your country and most of Europe went through during the first half of the 20th century was surely one of the most violent eras.
    I would say this though, and maybe this is more in line with what you are referring to. That I sense a considerably more violence prone interaction between people living in those areas of Boston as the years went by there and perhaps you sense the same thing happening in the area of London that you live in.Those are my thoughts on your question. ...Dr.Syntax
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    The degree of violence throughout the Middle Ages is the subject of debate; it came and went in waves. Wars were surely more brutal, and executions less "humane"--if there is any way for an execution to be humane at all--but I've read statistics that say that the number of people executed every year in Texas outnumbers the number executed though the course of all the Inquisitions combined. I'll try to track those down again, because I know it goes against received wisdom.

    One thing I am fairly sure about, though, is that witch hunts did not really begin in earnest until the 1500's, and didn't calm down again until the 1700's--long after the Middle Ages.
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    Quote Originally Posted by delsydebothom
    The degree of violence throughout the Middle Ages is the subject of debate; it came and went in waves. Wars were surely more brutal, and executions less "humane"--if there is any way for an execution to be humane at all--but I've read statistics that say that the number of people executed every year in Texas outnumbers the number executed though the course of all the Inquisitions combined. I'll try to track those down again, because I know it goes against received wisdom.

    One thing I am fairly sure about, though, is that witch hunts did not really begin in earnest until the 1500's, and didn't calm down again until the 1700's--long after the Middle Ages.
    I should note that I'm speaking from memory here, having studied the issue a few years ago for a term paper. If I can dig that old thing up again, I can find the references. The conclusion that surprised me is that, per capita, people today are more likely to be victims of deadly violence than they were in the Middle Ages.
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