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    Do you think it is psychologicaly damaging to a child if the child is subject to such lies such as Santa?

    I believe that if you tell a child such things at a younger age which are illogical and absurd... they will grow to believe things that cannot be physically possible. The idea of God or miracles for example. What do people think of this notion?


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    One abstract says that in the study, children asked to write a story, who wrote about Santa Claus, were more charitable than those who wrote about the Easter bunny or pets.

    I could only find the abstract, so it's not very valuable to us here.

    Stories help kids grow, they are a teaching method. They are useful, as long as you are aware what sort of things your child is picking up on. I think that it's better to have more realistic characters and situations, than fantastic ones.


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    In one of Terry Pratchett's books, he says that children have to believe the little lies when they're younger in order to believe big lies like justice (which only works if people believe in it) when they're older.

    In fact, telling children that a lie was a lie may well make belief in a god less likely, because they learn that an illogical concept is indeed illogical.
    The wise man believes half of what he reads. If he knew which half to believe, he'd be a much wiser man.
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    A lie, strangely enough - is not the truth, but rather is DECEPTION!

    Furthermore; I fail to see how anyone can ever accept that deception, especially of a child can possibly be 'good' or 'right' or even 'worthwhile'.

    For mine, we have surely come to the saddest place of defective reasoning, when we so much as entertain the notion that deception is 'ok' on any level; and therefore truly need to commence upon a stark reality check for ourselves.

    After all, aren't there sufficient wonders to be entertained by, in this thing we call our existence? For mine, it really should be regarded as some kind of sickness, when we find ourselves as seeking to play down our reality, in order to replace it with any variety of fanciful unreality.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Incoming Dessert
    In one of Terry Pratchett's books, he says that children have to believe the little lies when they're younger in order to believe big lies like justice (which only works if people believe in it) when they're older.
    I was thinking along similar lines. Society is based on some irrationalities, including lies. We can call them discretion, ethics, morals, privacy, courtesy, ideals, etc. On one hand we tell children not to lie. On the other, we plainly lie (or deceive) routinely and even compel our children to lie e.g. "say sorry" "wear the socks for aunt Mae's sake". Santa teaches children that some lies are good. Good not always being true.

    Apopohis Reject, you made some very interesting comments.

    Teaching children to deceive has been an issue for me lately, as two close friends of my eight-year-old son are objects of a bitter custody battle. So those boys are getting tangled up in all kinds of plots and fabrications. Not all plots are bad however. For example the parent who has chief custody sometimes misleads the rogue parent to prevent her crashing a party and doing drama in front of other kids. Anyone who touches that family gets drawn into their deceptions... maintaining a polite silence at the very least. That's a messy place to put my boy into but how are we to change the world if we shy away from it? So children need to learn the arts of deception.

    We best admit to children we do sometimes lie to them, and give children cause to believe our lies are good-intentioned.
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