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    It is said that eyes are the window into a person's mind. So even if an extremely insincere person smiles at you, you can tell if he or she is really smiling or just pretending to by looking into your eyes. I think it is therefore possible that a person can pretend to the extent that even if the person is not genuinely feeling that way, he can still smile perfectly normal and remain undetected.

    Is there any scientific evidence to show that such a thing is possible (Obviously we know that hypocrites exist in real life) and why and how can a person accomplish it, based on an entirely logical and scientific explanation?


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    Personally I believe it is merley congruence of not only physical stature, body language and a general emotional state of mind that people give off daily that gives the illusion of this 'gateway to the soul' phenomena.

    For instance a slumped adult with not very good dress sense, poor diet, and a lack of confidence and self esteem, their body language and eyes/body etc are not going to be animated so they will look dull.

    But someone thriving in confidence and esteem with their game together, dressed well and healthy, vibrant and spunky is going to give off an amazing aura.

    Personally I believe the way the face looks and the emotions that influence the body language of the face determine this 'gateway to the soul' notion. :wink:

    PS Look into my eyes... What do you see? I look in the mirror and all I see is myself... obviously....

    ...nah that one wasn't going anywhere (its been a long day) :wink:


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    It's not the actual eyes so much as the muscles around your eyes. A reflexive smile resulting from genuine pleasure causes muscles around eyes to contract. There are a lot of similar subconscious muscle movements in our faces that correlate with different emotional states. Most humans can read these signals with a reasonable degree of accuracy.
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    I think it is therefore possible that a person can pretend to the extent that even if the person is not genuinely feeling that way, he can still smile perfectly normal and remain undetected.

    How abt this hypocritic part?Does it work out from what paralith said that when a hypocrite smiles the muscles around the eye doesnt contract or smth?
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    Video replay has been used for lie detection. We slow the footage and watch blink rate, unconscious facial ticks, breathing. Oh yeah and it can tell if you're a replicant. 8)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cytosine12
    I think it is therefore possible that a person can pretend to the extent that even if the person is not genuinely feeling that way, he can still smile perfectly normal and remain undetected.

    How abt this hypocritic part?Does it work out from what paralith said that when a hypocrite smiles the muscles around the eye doesnt contract or smth?
    Most people don't know about the whole facial muscle thing, so they don't know to fake it. But, if you do know about it, and you know which muscles to hit, then yes you probably could. The number of people who know about it these days though is probably growing since this research has been published in several formats and there's even a TV show based on it in the US.
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    Quote Originally Posted by paralith
    Most people don't know about the whole facial muscle thing, so they don't know to fake it.
    Never watched women at a wedding reception? Don't teenage girls practice grinking all possible contortions at the mirror, daily? I think the female face bears more deception than you let on. :wink:
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