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    I had an interesting dream last night. In the dream the character "I" realized that it was a dream, but the observer "I" did not. It is somewhat odd and I'd like to hear peoples thoughts. Has something like this ever happened to you?


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    I'm confused. What is an observer or character in a dream? Please explain a little more.

    Do you have dreams where you are not yourself?


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    No, but my dreams are often in third person, like most people's dreams.

    The "third person" I refer to as "observer"

    whereas the character is the "first person" whom the third person is observing

    make sense?
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    If I understand correctly, you experienced a dream wherein characters within the dream realized the true nature of their status while you as the observer did not. From my experience and study of dream content every aspect of the dream experience is a characterization of something the dreamer unconsciously perceives or understands. If the characters in your dream appear more knowledgeable than you as the dreamer this could suggests you unconscious perspective of how others, under certain conditions, appear to be more aware of their mental, emotional, or social status than you believe yourself to be. This seems to be a suggestion of some superior insight others seem to have that informs your awareness. I hope this helps.
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    It's your brain telling you it feels that you're clueless over something that others know.

    If you want to overcome these feelings of inadequacy, you can
    a) crack open some texts and study your ass off. It's the summer - perfect time for sitting under a tree and reading. Don't look at every chick that walks by; you won't retain anything, just check out the hottest ones.
    b) Visit a museum if any of that subject matter is something you want to brush up on.
    c) join a club in your city that does activities in the area you want to be better in
    d) do it the cheap and fast way: look in the mirror and practice Stuart Smalley affirmations. You will brainwash yourself into feeling adequate, even if you are not actually adequate in the area you are interested in. Results vary by the amount you are able to delude yourself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marcusclayman
    I had an interesting dream last night. In the dream the character "I" realized that it was a dream, but the observer "I" did not. It is somewhat odd and I'd like to hear peoples thoughts. Has something like this ever happened to you?
    That always happens to me! It also happens to me on the reverse. I can also wake myself up from a dream and I can make myself fly in dreams (these things are probably pretty common??)
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    Depends on what stage of life you're in. Flying is often more associated with younger years and/or as an ultimate escape from something or someone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ceire
    I can also wake myself up from a dream and I can make myself fly in dreams (these things are probably pretty common??)
    From my study of dreams and the dreaming brain, drean content is dependent on the mindset of the dreamer. For example, the religious tend to have more dreams with religious content than individuals of a different mental focus. Certain dreams may be common in our youth because of our youthful mindset; however, levitation dreams can occur at any age as a suggestion or characterization of the unconscious influences affecting mind and emotion. In my view, every dream experience is common regardless of parameters such as age or ethnicity because of the commonality and shared nature of human experience.
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    Dreams are still quite mysterious to me. I also had a dream in which I realized I was dreaming and then I woke up and did other stuff, but that was a dream too and only realized it when I actually woke up for real. In my dream I woke up form the dream and transitioned to other things as if that made sense, but it doesnt because I did not wake up in a bed, I woke up and went about my business as if you could just wake from sleeping out of the blue in the middle of the day. In general, things that are outrageously unrealistic dont seem to have any effect in me realizing its a dream, I can jump off a balconey and grab the ramp off another balconey several stories down and hop back on that balconey no problem and its a lot faster than taking the stairs. And as mentioned previously theres no sense of continuity, meaning that each situation is a reality on its own at that second and theres no memory or realization that the previous dream events and the transition to this segment makes no sense, each segment appears to exist on their own and we either somehow think it makes sense to go from A to D or fail to realize we just how impossible it was to go from A to D.

    There is one occurence in which I (presumably) realized I was dreaming, and I didnt like the sensation oddly enough because I realized I was cut off from the outside world trapped in my mind, for people who think they can wake up from a dream by wishing for it I guess theres no similar sensention, but for me it was something like "hey wait a minute, right now Im actually in my bed Im not even here, I have no clue whats going on around my body, for all I know I could be sleeping lying on my arm cutting off my blood circulation and wouldnt know it until I woke up with the pain, I dont want to stay here, I want out, I just want to get back to reality make sure everything's fine and then go back to sleep normally"


    Dogs have dreams, I wonder what other animals have dreams, do reptiles have dreams? Do all animals sleep?
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    Quote Originally Posted by C_Sensei
    Flying is often more associated with younger years and/or as an ultimate escape from something or someone.
    Would 21 count as 'younger years'?
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    Definitely. I was still having flying flying dreams now and again at that time. But DreamDoc appears to have more experience than I, and he's probably correct in saying it can be at any age. I think it tends to be at younger ages, but I could be wrong, because I don't remember reading any data on it.
    My own experience hardly counts for everyone else!


    I found a Calvin and Hobbes poem written by Bill Watterson to be absolute genius in capturing the essence of our dreams:

    "At night my mind does not much care
    if what it thinks is here or there.

    It tells me stories it invents
    and makes up things that don't make sense.

    I don't know why it does this stuff.
    The real world seems quite weird enough."
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    I keep having dreams where something bad is happening (like a murderer coming after me) and im drifting asleep and im trying to wake myself up so I can run away but I cant stay awake and I keep drifitng back to sleep.... Ok so thats the dream BUT I actually think I am waking up for like a split second and falling back to sleep and having the exact same dream but its contunuining on because ill be trying to run and ill have moved. This sounds so weird and im pretty bad at explaining but does anyone have dreams like these? Am I just imagining that Im waking up?
    I really hate these dreams and they are becoming my reoccuring dream now (Dont anyone be a smart arse and say just fly away :-D )
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    How long before your last meal and bed? I've heard that eating before sleep can give us bad dreams. But then again, I've heard that dreams during a fast are more vivid. So I suppose it's a double edged sword.
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    You might also be working issues out.

    Go join a martial art. Your dreams will very likely change to scenarios where you win fights, as your confidence builds.

    Until you get well into black belt, where you realize once again that while you can be mighty, you're still not invincible after all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by icewedigo
    Dogs have dreams, I wonder what other animals have dreams, do reptiles have dreams? Do all animals sleep?
    Almost every living thing on earth experiences a period of dormancy that could be classified as sleep. The metabolic processes associated with sleep suggest that it likely evolved as a means to mediate the energy stores of animals between periods of feeding and extensive physical activity. Sleep probably evolved among forms of life leading to those of the Vendian period as a means to conserve energy during periods of nutrient privation. Interestingly, evidence in brain structure suggests that those structures associated with sleep evolved before those associated with dreaming. Although most forms of life experience cycles of dormancy, not all species have the structures associated with dreaming. Therefore, not all species dream.

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    I keep having dreams where something bad is happening (like a murderer coming after me) and im drifting asleep and im trying to wake myself up so I can run away but I cant stay awake and I keep drifitng back to sleep.... Ok so thats the dream BUT I actually think I am waking up for like a split second and falling back to sleep and having the exact same dream but its contunuining on because ill be trying to run and ill have moved.
    From my study, dreams are primarily physical/material characterizations of unconscious influences upon our mind and emotion; i.e., the images and experiences in our dreams primarily characterize or depict mental and emotional influences. From this perspective, running away from some dream influence suggests an effort to escape something the dreamer perceives as mentally or emotionally tormenting. If one is trying to escape a murderer in a dream, this could translate as an attempt to escape some spirit-killing or apathy-creating social influences.

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    I've heard that eating before sleep can give us bad dreams. But then again, I've heard that dreams during a fast are more vivid.
    Although a very popular belief, what we eat before sleep is not the likely cause of abberant dreams. Our dreams are an effect of psychological influences and, therefore, are outcomes of what has had an affect upon our psychology. What we eat and do not eat before bedtime could be an effect of our psychology that leads to abberant dreams. Fasting is most certainly an effect of the mental will that mediates appetite. This effect of will likely translates as dream lucidity.
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    What does a dream specialist think when he sees the original premise for the first time? That several people were having the same dream??? That ought to be real cool for your profession...


    Seeing the first one as a teen, it freaked me right the hell out - I can still remember how cool it was. Ludicrous though it is today...



    It was also hilarious hearing my dog make tiny barks and twitch his paws while sleeping...
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    That first image I've often seen used in reference to hypnogogic dream experiences wherein dreamers experience a state of lucid paralysis and a sense of some evil presence upon them while unable to move. Even today, sleep paralysis is a common experience that should be understood as a manifestation of the psychology our dreams convey. These types of dreams manifest our paralyzing fear and how that fear affects our mental and emotional mobility. Such dream experiences are common because of the common way humanity perceives, interprets, and responds to specific experiences of wakeful life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrmDoc
    dream content is dependent on the mindset of the dreamer
    Lol yeah. I sometimes dream about the clearances for ducting in stud walls. My imagination is mechanical.

    Where characters enter, they're more or less some aspect of me. Except my son who I often dream about... Ah... no, not "except". :?

    The flying (levitating/soaring) dreams I'm positive are residual memories of being lifted and carried about as an infant. In my case anyway.


    Ceire it's possible your nightmares are an outlet for feelings that you're made to have naturally, but can't while awake because of this unnaturally easy existence. We're made to experience panic. Go do something thrilling while awake and see if that don't take the steam out of them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pong
    Ceire it's possible your nightmares are an outlet for feelings that you're made to have naturally, but can't while awake because of this unnaturally easy existence. We're made to experience panic. Go do something thrilling while awake and see if that don't take the steam out of them.
    Thats really interesting. I never really thought of it like that. Has that worked for anyone?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ceire
    Quote Originally Posted by Pong
    Ceire it's possible your nightmares are an outlet for feelings that you're made to have naturally, but can't while awake because of this unnaturally easy existence. We're made to experience panic. Go do something thrilling while awake and see if that don't take the steam out of them.
    Thats really interesting. I never really thought of it like that. Has that worked for anyone?
    I so something to give me an adrenaline rush on a regular basis, and I don't dream, if that counts.
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    We should look at dreaming from a logical perspective; it should be a period during which we internally appease consciously evaded data to greater the perspective of a conscious mind - or to advance it from its previous position. Thus, internal cognitive mechanisms will operate manually in search for a solution to an inescapable problem pertaining to the conscious mind; whilst awake however (the duration of the conscious mind), solutions will actively be translated from a dream subconsciously (autonomously) and will furthermore, appear when searched. If the problem is encountered again, a new perspective, thoughts and ideas relating to the issue will be noticed - or if presently unavailable, after a short duration of time (e.g. 2 hours), a solution will appear in any given form of perception (e.g. emotional, idealogical, instinctive or other). Thus ultimately, dreaming persists as a means to solve problems that are too overwhelming for a conscious mind. Furthermore, dreams will vary from both, their clarity and literalness; some will appear more comprehensive to others, whereas others will behave symbolically. During wakefulness, solutions from a dream should be translated into a form comprehensive to the conscious mind; data may be implanted in any form of sensory perception, thought or experience, ultimately altering how one both perceives and pursues life.

    To clarify: a conscious mind is utilized for gathering new data, a subconscious for autonomously acting upon external data throughout the duration of a conscious mind and an unconscious mind for internally evaluating data throughout the inactivity of a conscious mind (i.e. the subconscious (autonomous components) becomes self-aware (unconscious)).
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrmDoc
    That first image I've often seen used in reference to hypnogogic dream experiences wherein dreamers experience a state of lucid paralysis and a sense of some evil presence upon them while unable to move. Even today, sleep paralysis is a common experience that should be understood as a manifestation of the psychology our dreams convey. These types of dreams manifest our paralyizing fear and how that fear affects our mental and emotional mobility. Such dream experiences are common because of the common way humanity perceives, interprets, and responds to specific experiences of wakeful life.
    I know this may appear highly implausible, but two days ago I had slept throughout the day and had felt fine prior (no fear) until the point at which I experienced sleep paralysis (I haven't experienced this for a month+). However, I hadn't experienced any form of conscious fear until the night before last; I had felt fear whilst watching an X-files movie. Given your description, the fear from the movie, the sleep paralysis should have been a consequence but had occurred before I had watched the movie - could my mind have anticipated myself to inevitably watch the film but before perceiving the fear influenced, my mind had created the effects that the movie would induce? (In other words - could it have foreseen the effects the movie would have inadvertently caused? I mean -- I have never seen the film before, and yet by your description, technically, my mind should have either foreseen the film subconsciously or accurately anticipated how it would be?)
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    Quote Originally Posted by blue_space87
    To clarify: a conscious mind is utilized for gathering new data, a subconscious for autonomously acting upon external data throughout the duration of a conscious mind and an unconscious mind for internally evaluating data throughout the inactivity of a conscious mind (i.e. the subconscious (autonomous components) becomes self-aware (unconscious)).
    To clarify?? :-D

    ps. Your very intelligent!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ceire
    Quote Originally Posted by blue_space87
    To clarify: a conscious mind is utilized for gathering new data, a subconscious for autonomously acting upon external data throughout the duration of a conscious mind and an unconscious mind for internally evaluating data throughout the inactivity of a conscious mind (i.e. the subconscious (autonomous components) becomes self-aware (unconscious)).
    To clarify?? :-D

    ps. Your very intelligent!!!
    Thanks - I hope that wasn't sarcasm and all users on this forum are as equally intelligent.
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    It may be possible that the mind while trying to solve for a solution to an inescapable problem use both logic and past experience to assume how the problem would be solved. In addition, using your past experience and logic to foretell how a solution would be acquired thus giving you a perspective of what it might look in the future.
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