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    I have been studying the effects of bullying and the results and have asked why? I have found that many have been bullied themselves, either at home or at school/work etc. etc.

    Could it be that we cannot truly stop bullying and neither reduce the results because those that are bullied turn to bullying others because they themselves are being bullied?

    You may say that being an intelligent person thinks in their mind that bullying is wrong although they have been bullied and vows not to bully a soul? Can they keep control on an Emotion that seems to be in humans very nature?


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    Hey, anger is human. Retaliation is human. And you'd be hard pushed to find someone who NEVER fought back when he/she was pushed to the brink of patience. So I think that no matter how much we try, we can never escape bullying. People need to feel powerful. And the only way they can do that is by debasing others. It's a dog-eat-dog world.


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    I think babies pretty much start off with a blank slate and the potential for all the vista of human behaviors.

    Although we all have the same range of emotions behavior is learned.

    Children learn about hate through observing others.

    There is also a natural competitive tendency in all humans and to be better than others.

    Some people think that being better, means being top dog, and therefore bullying is a power thing.

    Fortunately, the planet has people who know that being better doesn't necessarily mean being on top or having to undermine others, so let's hope those kind of people breed faster than the ignoranus's
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    Quote Originally Posted by tritai
    Hey, anger is human. Retaliation is human. And you'd be hard pushed to find someone who NEVER fought back when he/she was pushed to the brink of patience. So I think that no matter how much we try, we can never escape bullying. People need to feel powerful. And the only way they can do that is by debasing others. It's a dog-eat-dog world.
    Power destroys itself. It's only a dog eat dog world because people like you go around saying that, fearing the day you'll have to defend your life because everyone else is. Violence should never be used to stop violence, in what way by doing so are you different to them?

    Get past your fears and your anxieties, really the human race is pathetic.
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    Power destroys itself. It's only a dog eat dog world because people like you go around saying that, fearing the day you'll have to defend your life because everyone else is. Violence should never be used to stop violence, in what way by doing so are you different to them?

    Get past your fears and your anxieties, really the human race is pathetic.
    Yes, because I'm REALLY shaking in my seat as I imagine what sort of adversaries are lined up in my near future for me to deal with. And when did I say I'm a bully? Maybe I can beat others by doing GOOD in the world, while they do the bad. I'm not a violent person, I just let people know exactly what I think of them when they irritate me.

    And FYI, Stephen: YOU'RE PART OF THE HUMAN RACE. So enough blaming the other 6,812,345,769 (and counting) of us. But maybe, while you're at it, you could go win a Nobel Peace Prize for us? I'll be waiting!

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    Do it then, you know that wierd clunking noise outside? Its my TARDIS landing right now to test your 'god' like powers....
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    Quote Originally Posted by DementisVir
    I have been studying the effects of bullying and the results and have asked why? I have found that many have been bullied themselves, either at home or at school/work etc. etc.

    Could it be that we cannot truly stop bullying and neither reduce the results because those that are bullied turn to bullying others because they themselves are being bullied?

    You may say that being an intelligent person thinks in their mind that bullying is wrong although they have been bullied and vows not to bully a soul? Can they keep control on an Emotion that seems to be in humans very nature?
    I'm not sure that bullies begat bullies in all cases though .The reverse can also happen imo . Strip a person of their digity often enough and I guess it could be likened to stripping the bark off a tree. In some cases it heals with some scarring and in other cases it can't be healed anymore. Regardless the individuals involved suffer on both sides of the fences. A bully alienates themselves and friendships can be based on fear of rejection without some level of forced compliance . Where as someone being bullied could likewise feel alienated from the group without any support of their peers at times quite harmful in the bigger picture when this affects self esteem to an extreme level and creates an atmosphere of no escape from misery for the bullies party.

    I'm of the view group dynamics seem to dictate leader/s will emerge and unfortunately in some cases that's achieved by bullying. It's an unfortunate part of school life for many and can certainly continue into adulthood into the workplace and even remain in family groups as you've touched on above. Sibling dynamics often seem to spill over into wrestling for pecking order which could also spill over into bullying ie verbal taunting and place setting by the considered outcomes of such interactions.

    It certainly can have some serious implications when looking at potential outcomes. Whilst I'm of the view it will remain as part of human nature I am of the view that thinking should be challenged and assessed progressively of self and others.
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    yes i think so but only to an extent

    the bullying starts with the strongest of the group, whether its a school class, a group of work colleagues or just a group of friends.

    this person would naturally go for the weakest, the others notice his superiority and just follow along, the person being bullied then needs an outlet, and its in our genes so they do exactly the same thing but to someone weaker. this can repeat a lot depending on how many people there are, but ultimately there will be one person that finishes the chain, this person is trying to be on the "moral high ground" they ignore the bullying and shrug it off.
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    Our teacher told us today that an 11 year old boy not too far from where I live killed himself because he was so fed up with all the bullying he faced in his new school.



    I don't understand. If we're so mean and heartless, why are we called manKIND?
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    well you have to feel sorry for people who feel thats their only way out, people try and cope as best they can but some have to resort to extremes whether it be drugs, alcohol, smoking, self harm or in very unfortunate cases suicide.

    and then back to the chain, others just cope by passing it along

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    Actually, nature dictates ones more.

    If a person is attacked in any form, or bullied. Its because it has shown ("mostly" physical) weakness. This used to be effective. In the time where survival was priority.

    The ironic part is, if the person died, or in these times commits suicide. The victim or the weaker one proven himself to be "unworthy" of reproduction. Which would justify the next future victim.

    There is no purpose for this behaviour in the time we live in it seems. Yet it happens.

    Its harsh, but nothing more then outdated instinct.

    The best remedy is to boost psysical strength if that was the reason in the first place.
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    I was warning this really weird TV program the other week and it said that there's only a small amount of animals that will actually commit suicide, horses are one of these, of sounds brutal but when they have been injured and are in immense pain they will kill themselves by hitting their heads repeatedly against something hard enough. It seems that us humans also fall into this group but I don't think the majority of suicides are because of physical pain but for us it's a case of emotional pain. This could be that we had the ability to commit suicide and as we evolved so did it and now it includes the emotional pain.

    Sorry that it's not a lot to do with bullying but it is related and other people were talking about suicide
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    LOL please the bully is not always the victim of some great injustice him/herself. I'd say it's genetics. Their brain and thinking patterns are faulty and it's of no one's fault but their own. Some people are just born with a bullying mentality. It's a disease of the mind. We could keep theorizing that it maybe due to a lot of social pressure for them to be the king of the jungle/queen bee, and they come from broken homes etc etc and so on and so on but the truth of the matter is the bullies are usually the most popular kids in school and they are that way because they can. Why do they think they can? Because no one blames THEM. It's always the scrawny kid with geeky glasses who rather talk science then football's fault, he doesn't know how to be cool, or it's the girl that doesn't know how to dress up or be flirtatious, if only she knows she would improve her social skills, or the darkie foreigner that brings it upon himself by failing to blend in, if only if he gets rid of his lame accent and traditions... etc etc and so on and so on... these people do not fit in that's why they are the victims. Yes we get it. But where does it take us? No where. Not until you address the fact that the bully has serious mental issues, you will never ever be able to tackle the problem of bullying. And no it's not an excuse that his parent's dont love him enough or that he didn't get picked for the captain of the football team. I mean boo f-ing hoo. Get a grip. No one tells someone who has, let's say OCD, that they can over come their disorder by talking about their childhood problems. Most therapists would encourage the patient to seek BEHAVIOR THERAPY and correct their behavior and thought pattern. No matter what trauma you may have went through for you to be acting strange and crazy, there's only one way back and that's to change your behavior. There should be no babying and no excusing. Especially not when it comes to the bullying DISORDER.
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    Fighting back is one thing, and fairly often (though not always) it's the right thing to do.

    But it's a completely different bag of cucumbers when you are bullied by one person and react by bullying somebody else, often in a completely different context, and months or years later. Yet it happens all the time. And this is what really perpetuates the vicious circle.
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