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    Forum Masters Degree Golkarian's Avatar
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    Always thought this was true (but who knows it might turn out the other way), but I think theistic evolution might work this one out (they seem to think creationism will always be with us, but Britain is already different (not Canada see:

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    There is nothing "easy" or "natural" about having faith, meditation, fasting, long-suffering. Maybe there is, but from my experiences(which are completely subjective and circumstantial I know) there really doesn't seem to be.

    All of the so called "virtues" are tools used to obtain an objective viewpoint. Faith is necessary to break free from belief, there a curtain amount of creative thought that is put into science, and there is a curtain amount of reason that is put into religion. The value of all science is in the usefulness of it's discoveries. Some discoveries are only useful because they let us discover more things, they are tools that don't have a purpose but to make something else. The value of all religion is in the depth of their rituals. All rituals in a religion are like these tools, none of the rituals are practical, the religion doesn't exist for the religion's sake, it exists for the people involved, the group solidarity, their faith, their psychological growth and individuation.

    the Hindus have it written down, though just like all religions they are divided by sects in their interpretation of it but it is clearly written that material scholors and religious servants end up in the same heavenly servitude.
    Learning about material things and learning about religious things bring people to the same place. A faithful understanding of, and presence in, the so called "moment."

    There are many religious folk who value religion for religion's sake, just as there are many scientists you value science for science's sake. These people are not wrong but these are the people that are used as an example when judging religion or science. There are others who value religion for human's sake, and science for human's sake, and all things for human's sake. They value growth and truth in all it's forms. They understand that we must be healthy to be free from anxiety and preconceived notions in order to understand some things and to live completely and fully, helping others become free from ignorance and rising above into the real of understanding. Religion is like psychology, but just like theoretical and experimental sciences, the theory is much more powerful than the experiment, there is more in existence than we will ever prove, but that is not a reason to stop trying. It is like the golden ratio, no matter how much you try, religious or scientifically, you will never make a complete circle. That is what faith is all about, ultimately you are going to have to choose to either be confused or faithful. And if you have been endowed well enough to never be confused it is much harder to maintain faith and curiosity in the moments we are torn between opposing forces, ideas, desires, loves, anything.

    Faith is about detachment from the many parts of reality in order to embrace the whole, there is nothing natural or easy about this, and can be obtained with or without religion and science. For some they are hindrances, for others they are guides, for some one is needed, for others both.

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