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    Humans are a system, that system does have, i feel, ways of destructing itself. It is almost as if you could say that intelligent systems, such as humans, have fail safe modes hard wired into its complexity. If the system is not accurate for its purpose it destroys itself. Crazy stuff. Anyways I am only, in essence, putting one atom of my finger on the surface of this... = ) It will be an interesting science one day.


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    What would the survival benefit of such a system be. How would natural selection act to sustain it?


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    If that system is expendable part of a larger evolved system, then yeah its self-destruction would be good, even for the sake of freshening up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ophiolite
    What would the survival benefit of such a system be. How would natural selection act to sustain it?


    I feel you can not look at this conventionally, meaning that the survival benefit is only part of a larger system not part of the initial system. In other words there is nothing consciously saying, if this intelligent system survives it will be benefited, the reality is if this intelligent system survives than it may benefit a larger system.


    Natural selection works in this system well... in an intelligent system we could assume that the intelligence of the system would want to be "inherited" in the successive developments of that system. It would still have an end program function I feel... simply because; although, intelligence would be inherited there are many other factors in the system that could act against itself.
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    Like Is said I am only touching on this; however another thought came to mind... mainly that the intelligent system that ends its program would most likely have been meant to, because of the the systems structuring it and the system it is a structure of.



    Listen I know, only probably, that these thoughts already exist. It seems that I am stuck in a form of purgatory. Where people on one side don't care or lack the acquired knowledge to communicate on this subject matter and on the other side people, I imagine, are far beyond me in thought; the end result is that I am stuck... stuck in mundane prison so to speak. The point being that I may or may not know that what I am posting is either uninteresting because it is already in fields of study or I am plainly a crackpot... the latter of which is hard to accept.


    Anyways... I just have to get this off my chest, because lately I have been highly delusional... and distinguishing what is real and not is becoming exceedingly difficult.
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    The virtue of self-destructing components is recognized case-by-case for sure. Some software self-destructs. A car's computer may tell you when a part is scheduled for replacement. Of course all organisms self-destruct. I don't know how well the principle is regarded in systems theory though.

    Sounds like you're stressing over it. Why? You think you're fated to imminent self-destruction?


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    Relax. The poignancy of life is our illusion. Try to focus on unimportant, tangible stuff. One can get a kick out of paltry little achievements. One can work back up from there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pong
    The virtue of self-destructing components is recognized case-by-case for sure. Some software self-destructs. A car's computer may tell you when a part is scheduled for replacement. Of course all organisms self-destruct. I don't know how well the principle is regarded in systems theory though.

    Sounds like you're stressing over it. Why? You think you're fated to imminent self-destruction?


    My advice:

    Relax. The poignancy of life is our illusion. Try to focus on unimportant, tangible stuff. One can get a kick out of paltry little achievements. One can work back up from there.


    I self 'destructed' along time ago... in a sense.
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    Not that I'd wish it on anybody, but, good for you.

    Nobody gains that grade of insight of their own volition. So few get to build their selves from the ground up. Now all you need is a bit of optimism, and you'll be laughing.
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    Thank you... = )
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    Schizo,
    my point is that - if I understand your point - a prevalence for self destruction on the part of intelligence would not favour the preservation of the genes for intelligence. What am I missing?
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    I am sorry for the miss communication, I am in essence talking about intelligent systems being societies 'civilizations' as a whole. In general understanding, human society is a system; I use the word intelligence in front of the word system because we, as a type of intelligent system, are conscious, perhaps as a whole; meaning that collectively we have become a intelligence. The human system built off itself. We are also most likely a repetitious system simply because consciousness I assume will repeat itself in various forms throughout the universe.

    'End program' is the idea that while human society is a system, it is also apart of a much larger more intricate system, because of this larger system; intelligent life (the initial system) may need to exist or not. If it is needed to exist within the larger system then its actions will lead to its survival, while at the same time if it doesn't need to be present there will be an end program function... in essence destroying itself... in our case 'weapons of mass destruction'. It is strange it is all interconnected. Systems playing and effecting other systems.


    Consciousness is a repetition throughout the universe... I assume.


    I hope this clarifies... it is frustrating seeing all of this in my head and not having the proper educational background to communicate the thoughts...
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