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    Look at this fine strapping young lad, at the very peak of human evolution, much better then them Jews/blacks etc etc. A fine example of the better, faster, stronger, superior - Aryan race.




    Now, before you start to send a PM to a mod or administrator asking for me to be banned, hear me out. All that i have just written is bollocks. First off, it is virtually impossible to categorise everybody into a particular race. Then there is no real evidence to support the idea that one particular race is in anyway better then any other, although it would be funny if in 20 years or so we find through genetics that "black" people in general are intellectually superior to "white". It still wouldn't change anything though, as even if was found that one particular group of people (in general) was in some way better then another, as individuals, we are still capable of become the very best at any particular activity regardless of "race".

    But are we unintentionally promoting that idea though the media.



    That is a picture of a few members of the British olympic team modelling this summers olympic kit. Notice anything? Yep they are all white. This was i'm sure not intentional, it's just at the moment we don't have many olympic quality black athletes. It just bad luck and we will no doubt have many more come 2012. Nor do we have large numbers of people from east/south east Asia living in Britain, so we wouldn't expect to see many in the British olympic team. Its all just a matter of odds and luck.

    That picture did get me thinking though. Are we unintentionally promoting the idea of what an ideal human should look like? depending on which country you live in. So what i have done is a very quick basic survey of a national newspaper here in Britain, The Times.

    In todays paper, in just the commercial ads, there was 13 white people and 1 black person, Lenny Henry, who is a comedian and more British then most brits, but still no Brad Pitt. All the white models were...well...just that, models, with perfect hair, tan, and body shape etc. Of course there is nothing wrong with that. A potential customer is more likely to buy something if they can see themselves wearing it or driving it. But it does created an unhealthy image of what the ideal person should look like in any given culture, much like the nazi propaganda picture above. The question is should we be forcibly giving a more global image of what a person should look like in any local media?

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    And on to the second part of this, which is more of a rant, but a valid one i think.

    Harriet Harman is the minister for women and equality here in Britain and has just come up with a wonderful idea for an equality bill (Link) which would among other things, give private firms and government institutions such as the police the legal right to discriminate against certain members of the community. For example, if the police force in a community with a large number of black people wanted to increase the number of black people in their local police force, they could legally discriminate against a white applicant and employ a black person even if they are less qualified or vice versa based on the colour of their skin or gender.

    Now am i the only person who finds this idea, legal government backed racism and sexism, the most outrageous load of big brother, mind numbing, pile of crap ever conceived.

    Its not just the government though. Trevor Brooking is a member of the Football (or soccer as some of you may call it) association. A couple of weeks ago a milestone was made in english football when Paul Ince (a true englishman) became the first black english manager in top flight football. One of only two black managers out of 92 in english football.

    Mr Brooking has since declared that money will be pored into solving this problem which apparently is down to racism at the boardroom level, yet very little was mentioned about the fact that 25% of all players in english football are black. If i was to suggest that extra money should be spent on white kids instead of black kids so we could achieve this perfect utopian world were x% of people in every profession match the precise national average i would be shot.

    Why can't we accept that in general some people of a particular racial group are going to be better then others at certain things. I will bet anyone here, everything i own and my next ten year wages, that a white person will not win the 100 meters at this years olympics, even if the nazi liberals did get their way and have a final lineup which perfectly represented the worlds people. And if i was black and aiming to become a football manager, i would be offended that i was being given extra help to achieve my aim, being treated as if i had a disability. The best man for the job should get it.

    It seems to me that we have gone or are at least heading towards, the opposite extreme of Hitlers vision, where every profession, every job, needs to represent precisely any given populations racial/gender/religious groups. But the world isn't like that. And any attempt by a government to social engineer such a country is equally misguided as Hitler was. And equally dangerous.

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    I think you will find that the % of black British athletes to white, greatly outweighs the % of black to white population of GB. In other words is out of proportion to the population in THEIR favor.

    Meanwhile I think you will find most teams born of countries where the majority population are black that their athletes are also mainly black.

    Meanwhile if it is the case that black communities want to discriminate against whites, then they can't have it both ways and must allow whites to also discriminate in their favour, thus discriminating once again against them.

    Picking ones own colour in favour of another is otherwise known as 'racism'.

    So this proposal is 100% supporting racism at it's worst level. A very backward step.

    re your football comment:

    25% black footballers does not mean blacks are better at football than whites, given that 75% are still white. The ratio does not match population % possibly due to the fact that blacks are not presented with as many options as whites so they lean towards sport/nursing and social work as professions.

    Re management

    1 black in 92 Managers, depends on how many blacks went up for positions like this. It is possible when it comes to white collar jobs they are discriminated against.
    Discrimination happens at all levels for a variety of reasons. How many women Managers are there? How many disabled?


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    The second image used was just the starting point for my thoughts. I realise that the average black person living in the west will probably be a better athlete then your average white person. In their favour as it were.

    It's not that the black communities want to discriminate against whites, but that the white politicians are pushing their own agenda onto the general public. Trying to create a country as they wish it to be, via racist methods.

    As for the football. Athleticism is an important part of football and the high number of "blacks" in the game reflects that. Is it so outrageous though to suggest that "whites" may be better at management?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat1981(England)
    Is it so outrageous though to suggest that "whites" may be better at management?
    If we were talking about any other species we would have no trouble discussing the merits or characteristics of a certain sub-species, breed, or blood-line. Unfortunately such discussion about homo sapiens is more apt to get one labeled a racist. It really isn't possible in modern society.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat1981(England)

    As for the football. Athleticism is an important part of football and the high number of "blacks" in the game reflects that. Is it so outrageous though to suggest that "whites" may be better at management?
    Yes it is

    Just as it is that men are better at it than women.

    Have you forgotten it was a black candidate that first won The Apprentice in the UK version?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harold
    If we were talking about any other species we would have no trouble discussing the merits or characteristics of a certain sub-species, breed, or blood-line. Unfortunately such discussion about homo sapiens is more apt to get one labeled a racist. It really isn't possible in modern society.
    I agree and i also believe that by not talking openly about race, we are doing more harm then good.

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    Yes it is

    Just as it is that men are better at it than women.

    Have you forgotten it was a black candidate that first won The Apprentice in the UK version?
    My bad, i should have include the word generally in there. None the less, in general, it is clear to me that the average western black person has a far better chance of winning the 100 meters than the average western white person. So it would not outrageous to suggest that they are "generally" better at that particular skill.

    Men are better then women at certain things, likewise, women are better then men at certain things. That is the most un-outrageous thing anyone could say.

    As i said in the opening post, as individuals anyone regardless of gender or race is more then capable of the highest levels of what every it is they choose to do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat1981(England)
    None the less, in general, it is clear to me that the average western black person has a far better chance of winning the 100 meters than the average western white person.
    This is true. On the other hand the cultural aspects are sometimes more important than you might think. Not long ago, I would have thought that the Japanese were probably genetically less athletic than either whites or blacks, and couldn't compete at the top level in baseball. But then a few Japanese players broke into the major leagues and now there are a few really dominant players.

    In basketball, it seems like hardly any American whites can play, but then you see some European players that do pretty well. It makes you wonder.
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    Of course genes are fair talk in the world of athletics. More to the point, we're looking at what an individual is born with, and what can be done with that.

    I was always the tallest kid in my class - gangley Scandinavian skeleton. So I played basketball. My son inherited his mama's powerful legs (she was high-jumper) and apparently also inherited her (Japanese) height. So he plays football, that distant thing on the ground, where he easily outperforms the kid I was at his age.

    Every sport has a preferred body type, or set of type "strategies". That's well expressed in figure skating, where athletes select the feats they're going to wow judges with, by just what their particular bodies do best. So the Chinese execute very different routines than the Russians, and the judges try to decide which athlete is "better". We understand that no one athlete is capable of everything, and each athlete owns unique abilities. Racial superiority just isn't possible.

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    About everyday discrimination. I think the experience of discrimination in my city - Vancouver, Canada - is somewhat unique.

    Because of how the city grew (and is growing fast), we don't have classical "races" neatly categorized, nor do we have a single majority ethnic group, though historically the British Empire owned this place and left Her stamp for sure. Today Vancouver is a pluralistic mishmash largely of newcomers from many countries. The usual stereotypes don't apply and we discriminate on entirely different levels. For example there are obvious Americans (e.g. black, with US accent and fashion) who get one set of prejudices; also Caribbeans presumed something else; also Africans often Muslim who came as refugees; also various black professionals who are "global citizens"... so one just can't pin "black" down to anything besides skin colour.

    We segregate mostly by the four major languages: English, Chinese, Punjabi, and Spanish. This is definitely true in the workplace. People can and often do get by on one of those, with a bit of English. We also discriminate by culture and, because most of us were in fact born elsewhere, by country of origin. So there is discrimination, plenty of it. "Fitting in" just isn't expected, or desired, or possible. Maybe because the economy is good, discrimination hasn't turned into an ugly issue. I want to stress there certainly is discrimination though.

    Statistics Canada informs me that a resident of Vancouver is about as likely to marry outside the ethnic group as within it, which is natural by the fact no single group by any consolidation constitutes a majority. If you say "Asians" you get something like 40-60% depending on suburbs included, but this hardly qualifies since in practice only children of mixed Asian parentage might call themselves "Asian" if pressed.

    Meeting racism (e.g "black/white") as it is in most parts, I can't relate to the us/them perception... perhaps because in my experience, anybody qualifies as "them", or "us". A Vietnamese asks if I don't think Chinese are dirty. A Chinese confides (he has inside information) Vietnamese are really lazy people. I imagine those two getting together and tentatively dissing WASPs. I wonder who is the true Vancouverite? It seems the only qualification is tolerance... maybe. :?
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    Basketball makes me laugh it really does, there is no skill in being so tall you can place the ball in the net without any skill of aim, it does not impress me at all.

    Re running if blacks could outrun whites, then why don't they? Not every 100metres winner is black yet there is always a black person in the race. They certainly never outperformed anyone at my school.

    Our best female javelyn thrower was the second shortest girl in the school = white.
    Our best female shot put thrower was the tallest and fattest girl in the school = black.

    I suggest there was more skill involved for a short person throwing a heavy spear a long distance than a tall fat person throwing a heavy ball. I by the way at thrid shortest was 2nd best shot put thrower = white.

    Long jump best = white
    High jump best = white
    800metres, mix of white and black
    100 metres = white

    Netball, few tall players who happened to be black in goal shooting and defending positions, otherwise mixed team, mainly white.

    Basket ball, best players me and my short friends, one black also short.

    No correlation at all between colour, some minor correlation in height and weight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bunbury
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    Re running if blacks could outrun whites, then why don't they? Not every 100metres winner is black yet there is always a black person in the race.
    Nevertheless no white man has ever broken 10.0 seconds for the 100 metres.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ophiolite
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    Re running if blacks could outrun whites, then why don't they? Not every 100metres winner is black yet there is always a black person in the race.
    Nevertheless no white man has ever broken 10.0 seconds for the 100 metres.
    I know white 'children' in my school who could do 100 metres in 10 seconds so I guess there are adults out there but not on record. Heck I ran it in 16seconds when I was 15.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Theoryofrelativity
    I know white 'children' in my school who could do 100 metres in 10 seconds so I guess there are adults out there but not on record. Heck I ran it in 16seconds when I was 15.
    With respect you don't know what you are talking about. I can gauruntee that any white man who can break 10.0 seconds for the 100m can be a multi-millionaire within two years, even with my thirty percent management fee.

    The junior boys record is 10.93 set by Mark Lewis-Francis. Mark is black.

    All of this is incidental to the thread topic, but you do your central arguments a disservice by posting inaccurate statements.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat1981(England)
    I fail to see a common ideal in these. Each is suited to a particular event. The moral: it takes all kinds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ophiolite
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    I know white 'children' in my school who could do 100 metres in 10 seconds so I guess there are adults out there but not on record. Heck I ran it in 16seconds when I was 15.
    With respect you don't know what you are talking about. I can gauruntee that any white man who can break 10.0 seconds for the 100m can be a multi-millionaire within two years, even with my thirty percent management fee.

    The junior boys record is 10.93 set by Mark Lewis-Francis. Mark is black.

    All of this is incidental to the thread topic, but you do your central arguments a disservice by posting inaccurate statements.
    Ophiolite do you really believe that every kid running up and down his street times himself and makes sure someone official is there to record their time?

    The recent spate of talent shows like pop Idol are a great example of undiscovered talent who are just as good as the greats but work in McDonalds for whatever reason.

    The same applies to sport , beauty and every other thing. Some people go the official route and others remain undiscovered. So if a guy did run this speed you are not necessarily ever going to know about it.

    The kid may have be good at running but have no interest in being a runner. I had no interest in being a runner despite being a good one. I used every excuse in the book to get out of representing my year in the 800metres.

    Until every kid/mans speed has been tested you cannot say it's a fact that NO white boy/man has ever ran that fast. There is NIL way of proving it.

    Just because a black man has the fastest RECORDED speed in 100 metres you conclude his speed is colour related? So if a white man broke this record you would say it was because he was white?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Theoryofrelativity
    [Just because a black man has the fastest RECORDED speed in 100 metres you conclude his speed is colour related?
    No. It is related to the ratio of fast twitch to slow twitch muscles in individuals of West African descent. This is not an opinion. It is an observational fact. East Africans, in contrast, have a preponderance of slow twitch muscles. In combination with their diets and life at altitude this has allowed them to dominate long distance events for two decades.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ophiolite
    Quote Originally Posted by Theoryofrelativity
    [Just because a black man has the fastest RECORDED speed in 100 metres you conclude his speed is colour related?
    No. It is related to the ratio of fast twitch to slow twitch muscles in individuals of West African descent. This is not an opinion. It is an observational fact. East Africans, in contrast, have a preponderance of slow twitch muscles. In combination with their diets and life at altitude this has allowed them to dominate long distance events for two decades.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ophiolite
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    I don't do TLAs. What is pft?
    What is TLA?

    pft is a noise

    like 'tut'

    it means 'pah, and is generally accompanied with a snooty look of disdain while secretly thinking, 'grrr got me there you have'
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    TLA = Three Letter Acronym. 8)

    P.S. I know pfft. Didn't recognise the abbreviated form. :wink:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ophiolite
    TLA = Three Letter Acronym. 8)

    P.S. I know pfft. Didn't recognise the abbreviated form. :wink:
    we brummy's are known for our brevity
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    Does anybody have any thought or opinions on the first part of the opening post with regards to the media unintentionally promoting the idea of how a person should look like in any given culture? And therefor contributing to racism and discrimination?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harold14370
    This is true. On the other hand the cultural aspects are sometimes more important than you might think. Not long ago, I would have thought that the Japanese were probably genetically less athletic than either whites or blacks, and couldn't compete at the top level in baseball. But then a few Japanese players broke into the major leagues and now there are a few really dominant players.

    In basketball, it seems like hardly any American whites can play, but then you see some European players that do pretty well. It makes you wonder.
    Thats a good point and something i didn't consider, so I've done some looking around. Sadly racism is a big problem in football everywhere but particularly in Europe, this does however give us a large number of websites with statistics about the number of people in particular racial groups playing football. According to wiki the ethnicity of the UK is 92% White, 2% Black, 4% Asian and 2% Other/mixed. According to various anti-racism ("kick racism out of football") web sites, at the under 16 level, the ethnicity of children playing for a amateur side in England and Wales is 3% Black 96% White 1% other. Other being Asian which does follow cultural lines as Asian children tend to follow cricket but the number of white/black children closely follows the national percentage. In the professional game though the number of black players jumps up to 25% and whites down to 75%. In total there are only 14 professional Asian players out of 2500 odd professional players playing in the UK.

    Although the number of Asian's does follows cultural traits, the number of blacks/whites does not. I think it is reasonable to suggest that there is a mental/physical advantage for an average black British male over an average white British male in this particular sport, therefor i don't think it is unreasonable to suggest that an average British white male has an mental advantage over an average black British male in certain professions such as management.

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    I was always the tallest kid in my class - gangley Scandinavian skeleton. So I played basketball. My son inherited his mama's powerful legs (she was high-jumper) and apparently also inherited her (Japanese) height. So he plays football, that distant thing on the ground, where he easily outperforms the kid I was at his age.
    This is precisely my point. If the Canadian government announced tomorrow that short people would be given extra funding as all your basketball players were tall so they (short people) were obviously being discriminated against what would you think? A good idea? Or a complete waste of money and time?
    I fail to see a common ideal in these. Each is suited to a particular event. The moral: it takes all kinds.
    Agreed. So why do we presume that everybody is mentally equal?
    About everyday discrimination. I think the experience of discrimination in my city - Vancouver, Canada - is somewhat unique.
    I believe that Canada adopted a multicultural policy in the early 70's, some country's have followed such as Australia, others such as Holland and Denmark have adopted a monocultural policy in recent years. It would be interesting to discuss the pros and cons but we will need a separate thread for that.
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    Re running if blacks could outrun whites, then why don't they? Not every 100metres winner is black yet there is always a black person in the race. They certainly never outperformed anyone at my school.
    I know that this particular discussion is over but i thought this may interest some of you. Wiki has a list of the 13 fastest runs in the 100 meters for both men and women, why 13 i have no idea. 23 of the 26 are black 2 are white 1 is asian.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat1981(England)
    why do we presume that everybody is mentally equal?
    Because the basic worth of individuals must be equal. This is crucial. Measure of intelligence comes very near assigning basic worth.

    Personally I think intelligence lately overrated. Society's stupid obsession with brain-power is quite the paradox, no?
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    Sorry wrong choice of words, again. Not peoples intelligence but their mental skills. We accept that certain physical traits are suited to particular sports, so why is it not possible that there maybe certain mental traits suited to particular jobs?

    This does not affect the basic worth of an individual, yet we treat certain people as if some people are worth more then others.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat1981(England)
    We accept that certain physical traits are suited to particular sports, so why is it not possible that there maybe certain mental traits suited to particular jobs?
    Sports are exceptional. Mainstream society though must include the widest range of individuals.

    We don't live in fascist states that maximize efficiency by ordering who does what. Rather we afford slack and indulge a mediocre performance, so people have the freedom to do even what they're poor at. Why not? It's not like we're waging war or competing in a race. The only object is to please all of the people all of the time, or kill ourselves trying. Don't you think that a noble cause?
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    Sorry for the delay between replying, im working away from home at the moment.

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    Nor do we live in a totalitarian society. I can understand how you may see this as a noble cause but i disagree. Surely a free society must view all citizens as equal regardless of race, gender or age, and allow an individual the freedom to pursue their own interest within the law? and not try and social engineer a brave new world based on the ideology of a handful of people.
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    That's more or less what I said. The "noble cause" is equality by "good enough". In other words if a slim lady or a ponderous thinker wants to be a cop on the street we say "You're smart and able-bodied, go for it". The cause is noble because we sacrifice.

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