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  1. #1 BBT-SSU hybrid idea 
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    I'll just start with a few copy-pasts from points I made on another thread:

    "Let's say a very large amount of matter was created in a relatively small volume through mechanisms suggested by self creation cosmology, i.e. Virtual particle pairs. Is this not possible through processes described by quantum mechanics, i.e. Quantum foam theory? The sheer amount of matter could then clump together under gravity and annihilate, creating a huge amount of photons that could create new particles, similar to as predicted by the early big bang universe. Would that be possible? I know that such large pair production events are extremely unlikely, but with an infinity to work with, it might have happened? I am trying to think of a way for the expanding of space to be compatible with an infinite universe, both in time and space. Suppose that an alternate explanation for the expansion itself could be found, would my premise be possible with an infinite time available for it to happen? There are quite a few theories, AFAIK, that could in principle at least statistically allow for such a mass creation event given enough time, no? This would take care of all the unanswered “what happened before/caused the big bang” questions. Under the scenario I am talking about there might (or should, infinitely) even exist other "universes" who underwent their own big bang, with some of them even expanding into each other. Obviously the different elements of each theory that contradict each other can't co-exist, but not all of them fall in this category. "

    Ok, so to summarize, here are the aspects from each theory that make up the whole of this thought:
    SSU: (1) The universe is infinite, both in time and space.
    BBT: (1) Matter is expanding with the space-time fabric. There is no centre of the involved matter discernable by anyone inside the area governed by the speed of light and the time that passed since the spontaneous creation event. Since matter and anti-matter would have been created in near equal amounts according to a statistical probability curve, a continuous and chaotic annihilation-creation cycle could have arisen in the super dense conditions. I am thinking that a statistical eventuality could have been the arbitrary preponderance of matter over antimatter as any excess matter would not be part of the annihilation-creation cycle any more. Then, by some mechanism, expansion occurred.

    Let me end this post by saying unequivocally that I DO NOT claim any of this to be true. I am just thinking out loud and would appreciate any input. :wink:


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    I like the part about it being infinite, but if matter expands at the same rate as space, then how would we measure the redshift? Wouldn't our instruments also be getting bigger?


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    I am sorry, I put it a bit vaguely I guess :? i don't mean that matter expands as well, only that it is carried along with the expanding space, as current BBT holds.
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    So basically, you're going for a theory where multiple big bangs occur all the time, in separate parts of the universe?
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    Well, I'm trying to find the value of exploring such a possibility. If things can happen as I described, then the whole "how" problem of the big bang goes away. So while this universe might never interact with another one for verification, they would have to exist in the vastness of infinity.
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    Sometimes I've wondered if singularities are caused periodically by black holes that just become too massive. I'm not sure how that kind of singularity would facilitate the expansion of space itself, but then again black holes are kind of mysterious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kojax
    Sometimes I've wondered if singularities are caused periodically by black holes that just become too massive. I'm not sure how that kind of singularity would facilitate the expansion of space itself, but then again black holes are kind of mysterious.
    AFAIK, black holes are thought to have a singularity at its core by default.
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    Alright, so if relativity basically suggests that space-time is curved inward around a massive object in space, does that lead to the possibility that it might also be curved outward around some objects? It still probably wouldn't give use the kind of expansion we believe ourselves to be experiencing (balloon expansion, rather that expansion out from some particular location), but I don't know.....
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    I think that is the hypothesised anti-gravity, which does not AFAIK have any current theoretical support. Gravity is exclusively attractive. I think the question was raised in another thread some time ago about whether an anti-graviton particle might facilitate anti-gravity, but I think it was pointed out that it would be similar to an anti-photon in that it would sort of be its own anti-particle, with chirality being reversed, but that this would not result in anti-gravity. Another hypothesis relates to negative mass, which would have outward curving space-time as a result, but this is not allowed by the current Standard Model.
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