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  1. #1 Why we can't see border of Universe? Or maybe can? 
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    Why scientists can't see border of universe with telescopes? Or maybe they can?


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    first off there's no border. besides that we cant see very far into the universe to start with due to the speed of light. we can only see things that are close enough for light they emit to have reached us.

    but like i said, there is no border.


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    But if Big Bang theory is correct, than it means that something were exploded and our universe started to expand and it is still expanding.
    And if something is expanding, it have to be a border.
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    Quote Originally Posted by juris71
    But if Big Bang theory is correct, than it means that something were exploded and our universe started to expand and it is still expanding.
    And if something is expanding, it have to be a border.
    your misunderstanding the big bang. think of earth, does it have any kind of beginning or end? in fact, if you set out from some point of the universe and keep going in a straight line you'll eventually end up right back where you started.
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    There are only theories as to what the universe eventually becomes.

    Besides that, apparently only one photon every minute hits the Hubble space telescope from distant galaxies. The universe is predicted to be at least ten times to size of the most distant objects we can even postulate. Only attempting to see a potential end to the universe is near impossible through our current methods.
    Of all the wonders in the universe, none is likely more fascinating and complicated than human nature.

    "Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe."

    "Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence"

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    The analogy of the Big Bang to an explosion is wrong in the sense that it implies that the generated matter is expanding into something. This is not possible, because the high red-shifts measured would imply huge velocities that the galaxies in fact don't have. It is the universe itself that is expanding and thereby pulling everything with it.

    It is true that the universe doesn't have a border that we can observe. Not even principally. Theoretically, we could only see until the redshift reaches infinity. But even this is not possible, because it is hidden behind a curtain of fully ionised gas that is optically thick which is nowadays observed as the microwave background radiation. This means, just like in fog, photons cannot travel very far. Only about 380.000 years after the Big Bang the universe became transparent. So this is the farthest we can see.
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    All the Big Bang theory and all the discussions that are inclined to support it are nonsense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Attiyah Zahdeh
    All the Big Bang theory and all the discussions that are inclined to support it are nonsense.
    would you likke to elaborate on that
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    Quote Originally Posted by juris71
    But if Big Bang theory is correct, than it means that something were exploded and our universe started to expand and it is still expanding.
    And if something is expanding, it have to be a border.
    then what is this border and what is on the other side?
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    Universe is full of matter and differend magnetic and electromagnetic waves and radiation, it means that space between planets, star systems and galaxies is not absolute empty there must be some kind of matter where these waves can travel.
    I think that border of Universe is place where all matter ends and begins place where is no matter, waves or other types of energy, where starts absolute empty space, and this space is infinite.
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    Quote Originally Posted by juris71
    Universe is full of matter and differend magnetic and electromagnetic waves and radiation, it means that space between planets, star systems and galaxies is not absolute empty there must be some kind of matter where these waves can travel.
    I think that border of Universe is place where all matter ends and begins place where is no matter, waves or other types of energy, where starts absolute empty space, and this space is infinite.
    then you are saying that the universe is infite and then so it does not have a border.
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    Whith the border I mean begining of place where is no galaxies or even electromagnetic waves. And our universe is place where matter and waves exists and it can't be infinite. Infinite is place out of our universe in which our universe is expanding. I also think that in place out of our universe is not working any laws of physics that humans know and there is no limitations of speed (light speed is not highest).
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    Quote Originally Posted by juris71
    Whith the border I mean begining of place where is no galaxies or even electromagnetic waves. And our universe is place where matter and waves exists and it can't be infinite. Infinite is place out of our universe in which our universe is expanding. I also think that in place out of our universe is not working any laws of physics that humans know and there is no limitations of speed (light speed is not highest).

    but our universe is not expanding into the space outside our universe, it is creating space. it could be infinite and not effect anything outside the universe. and yes space outside our universe does not follow the rules that are inside the universe, it might not even have space. we may never know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by juris71
    Why scientists can't see border of universe with telescopes? Or maybe they can?
    The border of the universe is just in front of you . An observor who situates in anywhere within the universe would observes the universe with same results in term of its total mass , radious , age , average mass density .... , it has nothing to do with place the observor stands .This outcome stems from space time nature of the universe .

    People on the earth argue with each other about the border of the universe , but they have never thought of the border they want to see is the place where everyone is standing .

    Should you prod space time structure in front of you , just before your face , and get in , you would have entered into an amazing place where past thing , every single individuals , literally , vividly are alive exactly same as they once do .
    Where would this place be ?
    Past world , a real space time realm it is , all things ever happened in the past of the unvierse are out there .

    See arguments more detailed in related papers at :

    http://www.universefedback.com/popularized_e.htm

    FEEDING BACK THEORY OF THE UNIVERSE
    http://www.universefedback.com/

    among these , you can find answer about the border you argued .

    Thanks .
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