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  1. #1 The nature of time 
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    “The Flashlight of the Photographer”
    A Metaphorical Apologue

    At midnight a photographer with his flashlight is making an outdoor photo of his wife.
    In this moment billions of photons are spread out. Most of them will pass his wife and start an infinite journey to space. But some of them will hit the face of his wife and will be reflected to the sensor of his camera, where they will be changed to electrical impulses and in summary to an image of the photographer's wife.

    Albert Einstein has shown that fast moving objects get two experiences while observing there surrounding:
    1. In other initial systems time seems to proceed more slowly.
    2. In the direction of the movement distances seem to be shorter.
    These effects are equal for the initial system of the observer as well as for the observed one.
    That's why it is called the “Relativity Theory”.
    In case of photons the speed of the movement is the speed of light, a maximum on principle in our universe. So time is standing still for photons and space has no elongation in the direction of their movement.
    But if photons would be intelligent enough to describe their experience of their movement through space, they probably will say: “It seems that we are in a kind of motion, but we do not know how fast and we have no idea where we are going to. Also we cannot go more slowly or faster. But after all we know where we have been yet.”
    And then we will realize that our experience of time is very similar to the experience of their movement.
    Could it be true, that our time is nothing else, than a movement through an, at least 5-dimensional space with the maximum speed on principle, similar to a photon's journey. No wonder, why we cannot see any higher dimensions - similar to photons and why we have freedom of motion only in three remaining dimensions.

    In case of the photographer billions of photons are spread out to produce an image in his camera. If some of these “intelligent photons” start to reflect their own life, where they come from, the meaning of being and existence, even about their sense of life, they surely never ever will suggest that a photographer has created them in order to abuse and destruct them for an image of his wife.
    Could it be true, that the big bang was something like a higher dimensional flashlight photo?
    And while we surge for answers, we know that we are as stupid as a photon, when we try to understand the meaning of a big bang.

    Andreas Habelt, November 2006.

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    Imagine driving a car across a dry lakebed. The lakebed has lines on it, which run north to south, and these lines are one mile apart. If you drive directly east, and exactly 60 mph, you'll cross one line every minute. However, if you turn the car 45 degrees north, traveling at the same speed, it will take you two minutes to reach the next line. This is because only half of your total speed is now dedicated to eastward progress, while half is being used to get you further north.

    This is the situation we find ourselves in living in a 4-D universe. Our total velocity is constantly at c, with most of that velocity being dedicated to progress through time. However, any velocity with which we move through any of the other three dimensions is subtracted from our progress through the fourth dimension. If you travel at light speed forward, sideways, or upward, then all of your total velocity is dedicated to progress in that direction, and you become perfectly synchronized with a single moment in time. Just as the car traveling straight north on the lakebed will never reach the next line, so to a person traveling at c will never reach the next moment, because he is traveling parallel with it.

    Of course, this also means that to exceed c, one would have to dedicate more than 100% of his total velocity to progress through one of the other three dimensions.

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    Yes! I can find this “summary of possible velocities” in the addition theorem as well as in Minkowsi diagrams. The formula for time delay got the same expressions as in the addition theorem for velocities.
    I’m interested in a possible isomorphism between time procedure and movement of photons. Is it possible that we could extrapolate calculations or connections between photons and matter to these ones between matter and something higher dimensional, like strings?
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    the photons wouldn't have existed since no time has passed when they move though space, they are at multiple points at the same time. (even thou I have a serious problem with this theory because therefor the two existing new photons would then again be multi positional causing 4 new photons, causing 8 etc. )
    isomorphism; I wouldn't see a connection between time procedure and photons but much rather its speed, c.
    Let me demonstrate my idea with help of a example: We are flying in a rocket ship at the highest possible speed which I will call 'c-1'. We assume that our rocket ship is not capable of occupying multiple points in space (at the same time) like photons.
    So, we are still in the rocket ship moving though space at our highest most possible speed, c-1 and we are moving though time at a unknown constant speed. (the spatial movement and the time movement is relative to a starting point).
    If we would now be able to reach the speed of c it would cause our rocket ship to occupy multiple positions at the same time. It seems to me that we would be moving at a faster speed though the spatial dimensions than though the time dimension, so theoretically the speed though time would be c.
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    IMHO, time is merely a function of the mind. It is available to help us quantify, measure and understand information and events. It seems fairly obvious that all events have a beginning but no end. Simply stated, events are infinite in nature and if true, it in-turn supports the basis of time being only a function of the mind.

    Widely accepted are the three distinct regions of time; past, present and future. The past is something you observe and remember, the present is also something you observe and remember. Unlike the past, the present is based on your frame of reference. Therefore, the present or the moment an event takes place is relative to where you observe it from. Therefore its true to say that the event is infinite and continues on and on until it is observed the final time.

    Again, the final observance is based on frame of reference and if it is true to say, the universe is infinite, the final observance of an event is undeterminable or impossible.

    The region of time referred to as the future is also undeterminable and as such takes on the same characteristics of the time region referred to as the present and past.

    It may be correct to identify the past and present as identical in nature, something you observed, however, the exact past observations witnessed will be observed in the future from another frame of reference and then again and again and again...
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