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  1. #1 Our physics are just guesses...? 
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    I thought it was interesting to note how wrong many of our estimates have been for cosmology in regard to things which we have proved by verifiable physical evidence (space probes...etc). The common underlying result is ''it is nothing like we expected and changes our fundamental understanding...''.
    This seems to be happening in many cases, see for example the latest one where the JAXA probe to the sun ?SELENE (don't quote me on that) observed solar activity which was completely unlike what we had expected or assumed.

    The whole moral of this story in my opinion is that it is futile to be theorizing as all it is, is guessing, even if you have the physics behind you, it's still just theories. Don't get me wrong I'm a big fan of making theories myself and don't want to bash it but I just feel it should be noted how wrong we can be and that every theory should be accepted and shunned no matter how different it may be...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry Flannery
    I thought it was interesting to note how wrong many of our estimates have been for cosmology in regard to things which we have proved by verifiable physical evidence (space probes...etc). The common underlying result is ''it is nothing like we expected and changes our fundamental understanding...''.
    This seems to be happening in many cases, see for example the latest one where the JAXA probe to the sun ?SELENE (don't quote me on that) observed solar activity which was completely unlike what we had expected or assumed.

    The whole moral of this story in my opinion is that it is futile to be theorizing as all it is, is guessing, even if you have the physics behind you, it's still just theories. Don't get me wrong I'm a big fan of making theories myself and don't want to bash it but I just feel it should be noted how wrong we can be and that every theory should be accepted and shunned no matter how different it may be...

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    Don't shun the 'real' physics like the Conservation Laws, the M-M Interferometry experiments, the Halton Arp Redshift Anomalies, Quantum physics, Bohr's version of the HA and other such credible data such as the mathematics of Kepler and Newton and Planck.

    On the other hand, the current BBT and its 'ad hoc' evidence is all subjective fabrications IMO.

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    Of course I don't doubt important laws. In fact I believe all the theoretical stuff too but I just think that there is a considerable margin of error in SOME that can affect the fundamentals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry Flannery
    The whole moral of this story in my opinion is that it is futile to be theorizing as all it is, is guessing, even if you have the physics behind you, it's still just theories. Don't get me wrong I'm a big fan of making theories myself and don't want to bash it but I just feel it should be noted how wrong we can be and that every theory should be accepted and shunned no matter how different it may be...
    These two statements appear mutually exclusive. How do you reconcile that? - poorly expressed sentiments, perhaps?

    Theories are not 'just guessing'. Theories are judicious estimates based upon some combination of observation, calculation, modelling, fit to other theories, testing and experimentation. As such they represent a (most) probable explanation of phenomena based upon current knowledge. It is a fundamental of science that all conclusions are provisional.

    It is, therefore, not surprising that we are surprised by new observations. :wink:
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    Ophiolite, as usual you provide excellent points and I thank you for taking the time on improving my views on things especially listening to my many rants!

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