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    Forum Radioactive Isotope zinjanthropos's Avatar
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    Maybe this belongs in the philosophy section but....

    If I was to create this universe piecemeal from scratch, what would I need first? By your estimation, in what order would space, time, matter, forces or energy have to be inserted into the mix?

    I am not sure if anyone has ever figured out if anything can exist without space. Maybe it is possible that mattter and energy can exist elsewhere. Time may only be a concept and isn't an ingredient at all.

    Can something exist without someplace to put it? Or does the creation of matter automatically produce space?

    Can a force exist without space? I guess its obvious that I believe space is the first ingredient, a bowl for mixing, unless everything else existed prior to space. I really don't know if there is an sequence or if everything has to come into being simultaneously. Thoughts?


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    If you were creating the universe, you could create it anyway you want with whatever laws of physics you wanted. If I were to guess how you would make it, I would use the arts of your culture as a reference along a consideration of a chakra system or the work of some psycoanylists or mythologist to decipher your arts.

    Space, time, and matter would definately be a last minute clean-up job, and the only reason for it would be to put on an appearance of things making sense.


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    Quote Originally Posted by zinjanthropos
    Can something exist without someplace to put it? Or does the creation of matter automatically produce space?
    My personal answer to that second question is actually 'yes.' Personally, I think you'd start with energy, and then if you gave that energy a sort of kickstart everything else would just kind of take off from there. I think you'd have time as soon as you had matter (and thus space).
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    Chemboy, try adding a number into a computer program without a variable.

    The Recipe for this universe is not yet found. Once we have understood everything about the universe, we can be sure to be also capable of making one. For example, try to rebuild a rocket ship without knowing how it works.

    On the other hand, I believe that the universe is but a system, like any other system it is bound by laws. To make an universe, a computer program is its own universe.

    why is this topic in the Astronomy sub forum?
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    Just to add to my lists of dumb questions, I ask the experts this: If the universe decays to its smallest of components, then what is left? Is there some kind of unmoving soupy or frozen morass of energyless particles left somewhere? Where do the forces go? Is what's left a potential universe?
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    Quote Originally Posted by miomaz
    Chemboy, try adding a number into a computer program without a variable.

    The Recipe for this universe is not yet found. Once we have understood everything about the universe, we can be sure to be also capable of making one. For example, try to rebuild a rocket ship without knowing how it works.

    On the other hand, I believe that the universe is but a system, like any other system it is bound by laws. To make an universe, a computer program is its own universe.

    why is this topic in the Astronomy sub forum?
    I was simply speculating.
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