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  1. #1 Monolithic Graveyard On Mars? 
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    Okay, Okay I know what you are thinking but this is pretty interesting.

    Check this image out;

    http://www.msss.com/moc_gallery/ab1_...s/M0102950.jpg

    Then read this:
    http://www.marsunearthed.com/DWArchi...graveyard.html

    - I kind of get the impression this might be old but I'd never seen it before. I'd be curious to hear what you guys think. 8)


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    interesting.

    i'm peculiarly intriged by the rectangular shaping of the objects.


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    Quote Originally Posted by wallaby
    interesting.

    i'm peculiarly intriged by the rectangular shaping of the objects.
    Yeah me too. But more importantly I was lol-ing at you're avatar. lols
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    yeah i like my avy.
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    yeh....it does look like a graveyard.....cool......but i think there's a perfectly reasonable explaination for this cemetary....(i haven't came up with an explaination yet)
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    it could well be volcanic. With this resolution it's hard to see the form of the objects, but if they are cone-shaped they could be small lava deposits. A really old yellowstone park :wink:
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    but they're so alike.....a doubt it volcanic, the shapes are too straight, all of the are almost perfect matches.....
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    Who is TexasJames though? Who is Hoagland? What do they do for a living and where did this TexasJames get the picture? I have to know this before even considering the legitimacy of the picture.
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    That website has a link to the MOC gallery containing the image. It is legit. All of the images I put on here, I usually check an official source to see if it exists. I've never seen a fake image of another planet. People fake UFO's but this is something the fakers don't usually do.

    As for the image.. Whats interesting is how every little (thing) is shaped exactly the same and they ALL point the same way. 8)
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    Well for example, the image you clicked..

    http://www.msss.com/moc_gallery/ab1_...s/M0102950.jpg

    ^^ See the msss.com part? Now Hoagland runs www.enterprisemission.com and routinely investigates stuff like this. I have no idea who the other guy is.
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    I do like the photo and the thought that that is actually on Mars. The megaliths do appear to be very uniform in size and in shape, and as far as the arrangement, could be very interesting. I like it. Do you know when the picture was taken? I'm lazy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cottontop3000
    I do like the photo and the thought that that is actually on Mars. The megaliths do appear to be very uniform in size and in shape, and as far as the arrangement, could be very interesting. I like it. Do you know when the picture was taken? I'm lazy.
    Yeah its: 1999-05-21T02:56:31.99 SCET

    Whatever that means! Now I gotta run, taking nephew to park to get sunburn and let him drive me nuts.
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    oh, "SCET?" That means "South Central Early Tibet" time. It's GMT+27. Hope that helps.

    P.S. What part of the world are you in?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cottontop3000
    oh, "SCET?" That means "South Central Early Tibet" time. It's GMT+27. Hope that helps.

    P.S. What part of the world are you in?
    The U.S
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    In the analysis presented:

    http://www.marsunearthed.com/DWArchi...graveyard.html

    the first images are "upsampled". Why? Upsampling does not bring out existing detail, but adds interpolated pixels to enhance the appearance of a photo. The detail gain is artificial.

    All analysis of an upsampled image is useless. In the original image, most of the shapes appear to have slightly rounded tops. So, picture a dune field imaged in low sunlight. Regular dune fields are common on earth and Mars.



    Imagine these dunes in reduced, low-angle sunlight.

    It's a big jump from the original image to buried rectangular megaliths.
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    Quote Originally Posted by superluminal
    In the analysis presented:

    http://www.marsunearthed.com/DWArchi...graveyard.html

    the first images are "upsampled". Why? Upsampling does not bring out existing detail, but adds interpolated pixels to enhance the appearance of a photo. The detail gain is artificial.

    All analysis of an upsampled image is useless. In the original image, most of the shapes appear to have slightly rounded tops. So, picture a dune field imaged in low sunlight. Regular dune fields are common on earth and Mars.



    Imagine these dunes in reduced, low-angle sunlight.

    It's a big jump from the original image to buried rectangular megaliths.
    Whoa wait a second..

    Isnt this: http://www.msss.com/moc_gallery/ab1_.../M0102950.html

    From the MSSS an un-upsampled version?
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    Yes. That is the UN-upsampled original. Why?



    They look like ramp dunes in low angle light at low resolution to me. I could be and probably am wrong. But buried rectangular megaliths?
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    Quote Originally Posted by superluminal
    Yes. That is the UN-upsampled original. Why?



    They look like ramp dunes in low angle light at low resolution to me. I could be and probably am wrong. But buried rectangular megaliths?
    Yeah, I don't believe they are monoliths. I thought they might be some sand dunes playing some really good tricks on us. Or some sort of ancient alien underground buildings sticking out of the ground.

    Really what we need is a much higher res picture of the area.
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    or have some probe, or better yet human, take a good long look at the thing and take a sample of it.

    it's called killing to birds with one stone.
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    probably dunes....i doubt that its an alien cemetary......i mean what are the chances of that?Alien buildings???thats a low possibility....but who knows...
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    They'd be just the right size to be very large ancient ceremonial alien native american teepees, arranged in a defensive encampment style.
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    wild idea......wish that would be true
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    Here is my enhanced version of the photo. No pixel editing was done, just contrast and highlighting.



    Very strange just how much the objects appear to be rectangular in shape.
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    Ohh and while were at it did everyone miss the female alien sitting on the beach of the tropical island with the palm tree in the background

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    Look at all those multiple alien female breasts! HOT!!!
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    Now when you say rectilinear, you do realize that the dark area's are the shadows right?? Or at least thats what I thought.

    In other words there would essentially be several walls with shadows casting behind them down-sun. Maybe these are sand-blockers? lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by btimsah
    Now when you say rectilinear, you do realize that the dark area's are the shadows right?? Or at least thats what I thought.

    In other words there would essentially be several walls with shadows casting behind them down-sun. Maybe these are sand-blockers? lol
    To me it doesn't look like the dark areas are the shadows. There are several places where the ground appears totally flat with a black area out of nowhere. So where is the shadow coming from? If it's from a sand dune then they are rising at almost a 90 deg angle very sharply and suddenly. The limited resolution would hide this fact. Could be dunes, could just be odd rocks or fragments of something that produced flat impacts like slate.

    Why doesn't Bill Gates spend some of his money to send off a rover to find out. Ohh wait, I can see it now. It would blue screen in the middle of the mission
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    Insanity:

    To me it doesn't look like the dark areas are the shadows. There are several places where the ground appears totally flat with a black area out of nowhere. So where is the shadow coming from? If it's from a sand dune then they are rising at almost a 90 deg angle very sharply and suddenly. The limited resolution would hide this fact. Could be dunes, could just be odd rocks or fragments of something that produced flat impacts like slate.
    Really? I think they all look exactly like shadows with varied terrain in the shadow areas causing variation.

    And how can you conclude the part in red? If you look at the data for the image, the sun is very low (it's 13.53 hours true local solar time - late in the afternoon). Long tapered shadows could form from a wide variety of slopes and shapes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by superluminal
    Insanity:

    To me it doesn't look like the dark areas are the shadows. There are several places where the ground appears totally flat with a black area out of nowhere. So where is the shadow coming from? If it's from a sand dune then they are rising at almost a 90 deg angle very sharply and suddenly. The limited resolution would hide this fact. Could be dunes, could just be odd rocks or fragments of something that produced flat impacts like slate.
    Really? I think they all look exactly like shadows with varied terrain in the shadow areas causing variation.

    And how can you conclude the part in red? If you look at the data for the image, the sun is very low (it's 13.53 hours true local solar time - late in the afternoon). Long tapered shadows could form from a wide variety of slopes and shapes.
    Actually they would have to be sharp drop offs not rises. My bad. If they were shallow rises and falls then the shadow would be longer with the sun very low. They are very short shadows so the sun would have to be higher. We are of course assuming they are shadows. I still see some areas in the photo that don't support the sharp drop off very well at all. Others do in fact look just like shadows. Hard to say beyond a doubt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cottontop3000
    oh, "SCET?" That means "South Central Early Tibet" time. It's GMT+27. Hope that helps.

    P.S. What part of the world are you in?
    I am ex-military and familiar with GMT but the + 27 throws me a curve. Care to explain?

    That seems to imply 3 hours past tomorrow.
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    Hi Mac.

    I think that was a joke. SCET is "SpaceCraft Event Time" in NASA speak.

    "South Central Early Tibet" HA!
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    Quote Originally Posted by MacM
    Quote Originally Posted by Cottontop3000
    oh, "SCET?" That means "South Central Early Tibet" time. It's GMT+27. Hope that helps.

    P.S. What part of the world are you in?
    I am ex-military and familiar with GMT but the + 27 throws me a curve. Care to explain?

    That seems to imply 3 hours past tomorrow.
    Glad to know that you are paying attention. Yeah, it was just a joke. I was beginning to wonder if anyone noticed it or got it. Not real funny I guess.

    P.S. I actually had no clue what SCET stood for, so I was hoping someone would correct me so that I could learn. Thanks Superluminal.
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    Well, I still can't figure this crap out. Because here is a bigger image of the area.



    See how on the bottom they look similar, but different. The ones toward the top of the image appear vertical and the ones at the bottom appear to be inset.

    I'm going to do so some photoshop to it to see if I can manipulate it enough to show me a monolith.

    Mod Edit: I put a smaller copy of the image on the forum so as not to kill the dialup users as bad. (IS)
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    That latest pic cinches it.
    Sand dunes.
    I was dicking around on that site the other day and there was an image that looked just like that. When you viewed it at full size it was huge and it was clearly sand dunes. I wish I could find it to show you, but I don't remember where it was I found it at. You'll have to take my word for it.

    Sand dunes.

    And, by the way, it says something that someone would analyze just the top part of the image and leave out the bottom half which clearly shows what it is that is being looked at.

    Motivations. Obfuscation.
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    And so we solve( or you solve) the mystery of the alien graveyard which turned out to be sand dunes...
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    Very nice pic. I spent time looking for a fuller image with some context to it. You found it. Very cool.

    And I think the most important thing about the photo is exactly what Invert says. Why would you analyze just the top portion? We all know why...

    Edit: Remember, mars gravity is approx 1/3 of earths, it's very dry, and the atmosphere is about 1% as thick as ours. There are formation processes that look very odd to us. Folks that look at an image and shout "ALIENS!" just aren't interested in natural formations.
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    Has anyone seen a similar picture of sand dunes taken on Earth? A picture that also shows the transformation that seems to take place as you go from the bottom of the picture to the top? The top still seems a little wrong to me for some reason. Granted the bottom looks like sand dunes or something similar, but the top part just doesn't seem right somehow.
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    could be 2 pictures put together....
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    Yes, but to be fair to the people who did the study they look different than the dunes (I guess) to the south.

    Mars can be so tricky with light and shadow because of the sand, wind and rocks. I'm comfortable with them being sand dunes..

    Though I would like a closer examination - but thats not gonna happen anytime soon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by btimsah
    Yes, but to be fair to the people who did the study they look different than the dunes (I guess) to the south.
    Is it bad etiquette to revive a long dead thread? I couldn't resist.
    The fairest thing you can say for the people who did the study (if they are the ones who speculated wildly as to what these were) is that they were ignorant: ignorant of scientific methodology, ignorant of common sense, ignorant of photographic interpretation techniques, ignorant of desert topography. Just plain ignorant. When I am that ignorant of a subject I try to keep my mouth shut.
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