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  1. #1 Our Perception of a Black Hole 
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    Is it wrong of me to feel that our perception of a black hole is limited? Can it be possible that a black hole has "no sides." Let me elaborate....

    If we look at a black hole, we'll just see a black hole. But if we look at it at from the side, or a little above, might it so happen that we just see a black hole that looks just the same as from the other angles? If I were to make an analogy I would say that the black hole is in the shape of a ball. So it doesn't matter from what angle we see it, it'll be the same.

    Please correct me if I'm horribly wrong in thinking this way


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    Quote Originally Posted by Obviously
    Is it wrong of me to feel that our perception of a black hole is limited? Can it be possible that a black hole has "no sides." Let me elaborate....
    It has sides. Inside and outside. :wink:


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    Quote Originally Posted by basim
    Quote Originally Posted by Obviously
    Is it wrong of me to feel that our perception of a black hole is limited? Can it be possible that a black hole has "no sides." Let me elaborate....
    It has sides. Inside and outside. :wink:
    Hehe^^

    I didn't mean it like that, but more how we see a black hole from different angles.

    But I think you knew what I meant :wink: ^^,
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    Of course the perception will be limited. We have no organs to percive the 4 dimensional bending of three dimensional space. Our eyes can only see three dimensions so I doubt that you (not "you" like in "Obviously" but like in "anybody") actually would recognize a BH when it bit you in the ass.
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    You moron.

    A black hole defines the concept of light being BENT.

    Show me the most BENT structure and I will show you a BLACK CRYSTAL BALL where I see the FATE of all you and your little dog toto too- - -
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    Soooooo...time for some serious fun??

    Listen up Bubba, that you can percieve the effects that a BH has on the surroundings does not necessarily mean that you actually see something that is....well...hidden in the curvature of space.

    And calling other people names just 'cause they do not agree with you, well now thats a REAL sign of maturity. I am deeply impressed. Any more where that came from??
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    Not for you.

    You are a little reactive.

    A little wanton for more feedback as well?

    I'm no (k)night rider, Bubba.

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    Max, keep trying my patience if you wish to see what happened to the wicked witch. Your house of cards could well collapse on you, the metaphors mixed up by the tornados maelstrom.
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    OK.

    I agree: I know that script.

    Still.

    Has anyone presented the idea of a UNiverse that did not let light escape for whatever reason?

    As an intelligent question (for once, it seems), could that universe be considered a "black hole"?

    I think that was my question (minus the "bending like a reed" that you all so well know).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Obviously
    Quote Originally Posted by basim
    Quote Originally Posted by Obviously
    Is it wrong of me to feel that our perception of a black hole is limited? Can it be possible that a black hole has "no sides." Let me elaborate....
    It has sides. Inside and outside. :wink:
    Hehe^^

    I didn't mean it like that, but more how we see a black hole from different angles.

    But I think you knew what I meant :wink: ^^,
    yeah i knew what you ment. and i agree with you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Twaaannnggg
    Of course the perception will be limited. We have no organs to percive the 4 dimensional bending of three dimensional space. Our eyes can only see three dimensions so I doubt that you (not "you" like in "Obviously" but like in "anybody") actually would recognize a BH when it bit you in the ass.
    The 4. dimension is time, right? But our view of a black hole is limited to 2 dimensions. In the same way as if you look at a rope from a distance. You can't see the 3 dimensions, only 2 dimensions. I might have misunderstood something, but it makes sense so far right?

    But I'm a little curious to why black holes seems to be presented as 2 dimensional. The best image (I think) is this from Wikipedia:



    I would like to see something, some form of demonstration or presentation, that shows that a black hole is actually 3 dimensional.

    Then again I've probably misunderstood the whole concept of black holes

    Quote Originally Posted by basim
    It has sides. Inside and outside. :wink:
    What if it only has an inside? Is that possible or am I just confusing myself? It's difficult to explain how it only has an inside...
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    I'm not sure why you think it's only viewable as 2D. If you could pan your camera around the black hole you'd see the same distortion, demonstrating that it's 3D. But when you just have one photo you can't see everything at once.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neutrino
    I'm not sure why you think it's only viewable as 2D. If you could pan your camera around the black hole you'd see the same distortion, demonstrating that it's 3D. But when you just have one photo you can't see everything at once.
    Right now we can only see black holes at a distance, if I'm not mistaking. That's why I think that our perception of a black hole is limited, into a 2 dimensional view. That's why I think a black hole might be 3 dimensional and shaped like a ball.
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    It is - its gravity is no different than anything else. The event horizon is spherical
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neutrino
    It is - its gravity is no different than anything else. The event horizon is spherical
    So I basically made a totally pointless topic then^^
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