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  1. #1 Somone tell me how wrong i am..... 
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    One night recently i was laying in bed after smoking a spliff and my mind went off on a severe tangent and I started thinking about black holes and all sorts of malarky. I starting thinking of an analogy of the universe as a plastic bag held tight, or more simply a balloon. Now if you rip a little hole in the fabric of the balloon the air is obviously going to gush out. Is there any sense in thinking of black holes in the same manner? As a rip in the fabric of our universe (space time i guess) and that the gravitational pull they exert on everything around them is analogous to the air gushing out of the balloon?

    I am completely ready to be mocked and laughed at but it made sense in my mind at the time


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    Well, I just kept going with your post until I read

    > the gravitational pull they [black holes] exert on everything around them is
    > analogous to the air gushing out of the balloon?

    I thought that an atrocious comparison since one concept is about absorbing matter, the other is about freeing it.


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    I don't think it's that crazy a thought, myself. I mean we don't know what exactly the root cause of gravity is, the laws of physics seem to break down at a singularity - who knows
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    I thought that an atrocious comparison since one concept is about absorbing matter, the other is about freeing it.


    In fairness i sort of expected this kind of response, which is fine. I have zero groundings in cosmology (besides reading Parallel Worlds by Michio Kaku once which i found interesting if over my head some of the time).

    What i was trying to express was that if you think of black holes as a tear in the fabric of the universe, a rip in the exterior of our known world/dimension/universe.....then is that a valid sort of train of thought? Maybe the balloon analogy is "atrocious".

    It was good weed though, of that I'm certain.

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    It wasn't bad really, I just felt I could qualify it as atrocious since you said you were "completely ready to be mocked and laughed at."

    I don't know much either about cosmology, in fact, I was able to make the difference between astronomy and astrology only days ago. :P
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aures
    I don't know much either about cosmology, in fact, I was able to make the difference between astronomy and astrology only days ago. :P
    You must be a Pisces. :wink:
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    Quote Originally Posted by theBman
    Is there any sense in thinking of black holes in the same manner? As a rip in the fabric of our universe (space time i guess) and that the gravitational pull they exert on everything around them is analogous to the air gushing out of the balloon?
    It sounds consistent with what a lot of people think. The black hole's gravity would be the pressure on the bag. It's location would be the location of the rip.

    I don't personally believe it, but it's not all that different from Hawking's version, as far as I'm familiar with it. (his old theory, not necessarily the new one)

    I guess the idea would be that maybe there is a place outside our universe for the air to flow?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aures
    I don't know much either about cosmology, in fact, I was able to make the difference between astronomy and astrology only days ago. :P
    You must be a Pisces. :wink:
    HEY! ASSMASTER! I'm a pisces!
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheBman
    One night recently i was laying in bed after smoking a spliff and my mind went off on a severe tangent and I started thinking about black holes and all sorts of malarky. I starting thinking of an analogy of the universe as a plastic bag held tight, or more simply a balloon. Now if you rip a little hole in the fabric of the balloon the air is obviously going to gush out. Is there any sense in thinking of black holes in the same manner? As a rip in the fabric of our universe (space time i guess) and that the gravitational pull they exert on everything around them is analogous to the air gushing out of the balloon?

    I am completely ready to be mocked and laughed at but it made sense in my mind at the time
    Well, you did prove to yourself that the BBU is full of hot air.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ophiolite
    Quote Originally Posted by Aures
    I don't know much either about cosmology, in fact, I was able to make the difference between astronomy and astrology only days ago. :P
    You must be a Pisces. :wink:
    I'm not. :P
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike C
    Well, you did prove to yourself that the BBU is full of hot air.

    Mike C
    "Prove" might be a little too strong of a word here.
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    i'm a pisces!
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