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    Since noone knows for sure I have always had this simple idea in my head. I'm sure someone has thought of this before but I thought I would post up about it here. Would it be insane to think that our universe is nothing but a cell of a greater creature?

    Sounds crazy but Id like to discuss this.


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    Hi L-Bird,
    I think this thought is more common than you think. I'm pretty sure if you search around here you'd find a discussion or two along these lines.

    But... if you want to discuss it again, then tell us what makes you think this might be so. That is, what suggests that "we" (i.e., our universe) might only be a cell of a larger "thing." So... what do you think...?

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    Interesting.. I have heard this a few times before. Or probably a simulation in a software run by an advanced civilisation. The answer is ... we most likely will never know.
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    Heres my thoughts. The universe is guessed about 20 billion years or so I believe. Our galaxy is about 13ish or so. Factor in the big bang theory and to me it equates to something bigger. I've always wondered if the "big bang" was more of a conception thing. Say the start of a new creature on a cellular level. It has made me think that what we are all in is a larger developiing organism. This would explain the expanding and constant change.

    Sure there is no proof to it. It just seems so possible to me. Almost scary when you think about it.
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    Yeah i think this too, i wonder if there would be a way to work out the difference in time, like you can work out a dogs life in years compared to humans, when they reach 15 they are 90+ etc in human years.

    So i wonder if there is a bigger organism a day in it's life would equate to say 100,000 years in our time. If we were just a molecular universe to this supreme being.
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    The human brain likes to thing in terms of analogy and metaphor. Analogy and metphor are not the same as 'the real thing'. The map is not the territory.
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    Commonalities between a cell and the universe:


    The cell structure is mirrored in the uni, namely just like a human body contains billions of cells and organs, so does the uni, with its stars and galaxies.

    Cells and stars are born and die in a cyclical mode; we do not know where from and whereto in either cases, but we can form parallels.

    Galaxies have the same spiral development shape as a child in the womb.

    More so than not - the system and structure of a cell on this planet, may represent a pattern also seen throughout the universe. The MV theory says stars are not incepted in space, but may pop out from under/inside space: perhaps there is a universal warehouse and processing factory which is hidden, and similar to the womb which spits out its offspring? Just a thought.
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    Like the ending of Men in Black! Our universe is a marble in some galactic anteater's bag of tricks.
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    Commonalities between a cell and the universe:


    The cell structure is mirrored in the uni, namely just like a human body contains billions of cells and organs, so does the uni, with its stars and galaxies.

    Cells and stars are born and die in a cyclical mode; we do not know where from and whereto in either cases, but we can form parallels.

    Galaxies have the same spiral development shape as a child in the womb.

    More so than not - the system and structure of a cell on this planet, may represent a pattern also seen throughout the universe. The MV theory says stars are not incepted in space, but may pop out from under/inside space: perhaps there is a universal warehouse and processing factory which is hidden, and similar to the womb which spits out its offspring? Just a thought.
    Just what tablets and how many do I need to take to understand this?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Megabrain

    Just what tablets and how many do I need to take to understand this?
    I flunked if you did'nt recognise all those similarities.
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    Life and all that is near us means the univers.
    We do not live in a univers we live in a multivers.
    That confuse us to belive that we are alone.
    In a sense yes we are a part of a bigger crature and yes the analogy is correct but that creature is made from all of us and we all are just composed of the raw materilas that this "creature" has.
    i guess you can put it like that too if it helps you understand better where you are
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    Of course It is possible. Though I wouldn't say a cell, I'd say an atom. This also means that you are made of billions and billions of universes, as each of your atoms could be in reality holding thousands of them. However, the chance of us ever finding out is so remote, there isn't much point thinking about it.
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    no is not like that
    the cinetic energy that the mattery that i talked about does not suppot bilions and bilions of tiny universes that will mean a great deal of relations and communication bettwin the matery inside and the close circle that it has does not allow that
    the mattery is smaller then an atom
    i talk about it here http://www.thescienceforum.com/What-...erse-8018t.php in the post about What is the univers and what is life in Astronomy & Cosmology
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    Quote Originally Posted by DoctorFate
    no is not like that
    the cinetic energy that the mattery that i talked about does not suppot bilions and bilions of tiny universes that will mean a great deal of relations and communication bettwin the matery inside and the close circle that it has does not allow that
    the mattery is smaller then an atom
    i talk about it here http://www.thescienceforum.com/What-...erse-8018t.php in the post about What is the univers and what is life in Astronomy & Cosmology
    I wasn't really putting that question to you, more to the topic starter. Also, I do not understand at all what you have said. Not to take this the wrong way, as for all I know you are from a foreign country, or dyslectic and such, But it is hard to understand what you write. Could you try to use a spellchecker when you next write an answer, and really focus on what you are saying as It would just make it easier for all of us to read.
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    ok as you say about my bad english ...
    about the understanding part is kinda hard if you do not get the concept and you make use of rules that are half true and you take them as all true
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    Quote Originally Posted by DoctorFate
    Life and all that is near us means the univers.
    We do not live in a univers we live in a multivers.
    That confuse us to belive that we ale alone.
    In a sense yes we are a part of a bigger crature and yes the analogy is correct but that creature is made from all of us and we all are just composed of the raw materilas that this "creature" has.
    i guess you can put it like that too if it helps you understand better where you are
    Sure. But indications are, the commonalitites between a cell, and how it appears and acts, may represent a cyclical system derived from the same action which produced the universe. Eg: an embryo's coiled up position - and the spiral formation of a galaxy.
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    Gents,
    this sort of speculation is great fun and an excellent opportunity to exercise our critical faculties. However, unless someone posts something of real substance soon I shall move it to pseudoscience, or (if someone makes a good case for it) philosophy.
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    Particles Repulsion.

    Why do like particles repel each other at the core of the universe works?


    I have pondered this, if it is an independent, external force which creates the repulsion, or that the potential of a collision creates this force. My reason for assuming the former, is best seen in the 'result' of that interaction: it appears pre-organised and condusive to a new, complex and required product, thereby negating a generic random interaction consequence. It is a primal factor of a pivotal issue affecting our understanding of the universe. Can someone contribute here?
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    Quote Originally Posted by IamJoseph
    Particles Repulsion.

    Why do like particles repel each other at the core of the universe works?
    Yes, it works.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IamJoseph
    Particles Repulsion.

    Why do like particles repel each other at the core of the universe works?


    I have pondered this, if it is an independent, external force which creates the repulsion, or that the potential of a collision creates this force. My reason for assuming the former, is best seen in the 'result' of that interaction: it appears pre-organised and condusive to a new, complex and required product, thereby negating a generic random interaction consequence. It is a primal factor of a pivotal issue affecting our understanding of the universe. Can someone contribute here?
    pseudoscience what is that?
    the univers is a system far more complex then anything
    Your main problem is that you do not know all his rules and how they apply, you just guess and dream how they are.
    In reality your vison of the univers is just a dream.
    Get back to study this rules if you wanna understand it.
    Why? because only in your mind you can create the univers the way you want it not in reality ,and that puts you on a dilusional path that in your curent existance will not get you on the right track and you will get only a fake answer.
    This aplly for you all
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    Thank you DoctorFate for providing a classic example of one of the characteristics of pseudoscience - the delusion that you know more than anyone else. Well done.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DoctorFate
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    Particles Repulsion.

    Why do like particles repel each other at the core of the universe works?


    I have pondered this, if it is an independent, external force which creates the repulsion, or that the potential of a collision creates this force. My reason for assuming the former, is best seen in the 'result' of that interaction: it appears pre-organised and condusive to a new, complex and required product, thereby negating a generic random interaction consequence. It is a primal factor of a pivotal issue affecting our understanding of the universe. Can someone contribute here?
    pseudoscience what is that?
    the univers is a system far more complex then anything
    Your main problem is that you do not know all his rules and how they apply, you just guess and dream how they are.
    In reality your vison of the univers is just a dream.
    Get back to study this rules if you wanna understand it.
    Why? because only in your mind you can crate the univers the way you want it not in reality ,and that puts you on a dilusional path that in your curent existance will not get you on the right track and you will get only a fake answer.
    This aplly for you all
    So what factor causes like particles to repel?
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    Whatever drives base particle reactions, fusion or fission, the strong force is said to be an external crucial factor, and contained inside and outside of atoms. The Q is, while both the force and the particle components create reactions, do forces come before matter [particles]? This factor can relate to the BBT - namely if a force drives matter, or are these both equivalent and intergrated counterpart entities?





    Reactions
    If nuclei come close enough together, they can interact with one another through the strong nuclear force, and reactions between the nuclei can occur. As in chemical reactions, nuclear reactions can either be exothermic (i.e. release energy) or endothermic (i.e. require energy input). Two major classes of nuclear reactions are of importance: fusion and fission.

    Fusion
    Fusion is a nuclear process in which two light nuclei combine to form a single heavier nucleus. An example of a fusion reaction important in thermonuclear weapons and in future nuclear reactors is the reaction between two different hydrogen isotopes to form an isotope of helium:

    2H + 3H ----> 4He + n

    This reaction liberates an amount of energy more than a million times greater than one gets from a typical chemical reaction. Such a large amount of energy is released in fusion reactions because when two light nuclei fuse, the sum of the masses of the product nuclei is less than the sum of the masses of the initial fusing nuclei. Once again, Einstein's equation, E=mc2, explains that the mass that is lost it converted into energy carried away by the fusion products.

    Fission
    Fission is a nuclear process in which a heavy nucleus splits into two smaller nuclei. An example of a fission reaction that was used in the first atomic bomb and is still used in nuclear reactors is
    235U + n ----> 134Xe + 100Sr + 2n


    The products shown in the above equation are only one set of many possible product nuclei. Fission reactions can produce any combination of lighter nuclei so long as the number of protons and neutrons in the products sum up to those in the initial fissioning nucleus. As with fusion, a great amount of energy can be released in fission because for heavy nuclei, the summed masses of the lighter product nuclei is less than the mass of the fissioning nucleus.
    Fission occurs because of the electrostatic repulsion created by the large number of positively charged protons contained in a heavy nucleus.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ophiolite
    Thank you DoctorFate for providing a classic example of one of the characteristics of pseudoscience - the delusion that you know more than anyone else. Well done.
    you are just mad because i send you back to learn more
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    Quote Originally Posted by IamJoseph
    Whatever drives base particle reactions, fusion or fission, the strong force is said to be an external crucial factor, and contained inside and outside of atoms. The Q is, while both the force and the particle components create reactions, do forces come before matter [particles]? This factor can relate to the BBT - namely if a force drives matter, or are these both equivalent and intergrated counterpart entities?





    Reactions
    If nuclei come close enough together, they can interact with one another through the strong nuclear force, and reactions between the nuclei can occur. As in chemical reactions, nuclear reactions can either be exothermic (i.e. release energy) or endothermic (i.e. require energy input). Two major classes of nuclear reactions are of importance: fusion and fission.

    Fusion
    Fusion is a nuclear process in which two light nuclei combine to form a single heavier nucleus. An example of a fusion reaction important in thermonuclear weapons and in future nuclear reactors is the reaction between two different hydrogen isotopes to form an isotope of helium:

    2H + 3H ----> 4He + n

    This reaction liberates an amount of energy more than a million times greater than one gets from a typical chemical reaction. Such a large amount of energy is released in fusion reactions because when two light nuclei fuse, the sum of the masses of the product nuclei is less than the sum of the masses of the initial fusing nuclei. Once again, Einstein's equation, E=mc2, explains that the mass that is lost it converted into energy carried away by the fusion products.

    Fission
    Fission is a nuclear process in which a heavy nucleus splits into two smaller nuclei. An example of a fission reaction that was used in the first atomic bomb and is still used in nuclear reactors is
    235U + n ----> 134Xe + 100Sr + 2n


    The products shown in the above equation are only one set of many possible product nuclei. Fission reactions can produce any combination of lighter nuclei so long as the number of protons and neutrons in the products sum up to those in the initial fissioning nucleus. As with fusion, a great amount of energy can be released in fission because for heavy nuclei, the summed masses of the lighter product nuclei is less than the mass of the fissioning nucleus.
    Fission occurs because of the electrostatic repulsion created by the large number of positively charged protons contained in a heavy nucleus.
    As you have seen all things happend and behave exactly as the rules say.
    All what they do is to apply this rules and by their actions comes our reality
    The force that drives them is a huge force that keeps the system in motion.The engine that speens all and force all to interact.
    This force acts at a subatomic level on the raw mattery that the univers is made of making rules like Fusion and reactions to happen.
    Some of you are starting to determine that source and as hard as it is for you is the correct point to start(keep up the good work)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ophiolite
    Thank you DoctorFate for providing a classic example of one of the characteristics of pseudoscience - the delusion that you know more than anyone else. Well done.
    I emidietly understood that the classification was not directed against my threads neither purposely nor consciously/subconsciously.
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    Well, if that is the case does our body house a universe? And travelling into and out of the cells could be the 4th dimention
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    Quote Originally Posted by DoctorFate
    Quote Originally Posted by IamJoseph
    Particles Repulsion.

    Why do like particles repel each other at the core of the universe works?


    I have pondered this, if it is an independent, external force which creates the repulsion, or that the potential of a collision creates this force. My reason for assuming the former, is best seen in the 'result' of that interaction: it appears pre-organised and condusive to a new, complex and required product, thereby negating a generic random interaction consequence. It is a primal factor of a pivotal issue affecting our understanding of the universe. Can someone contribute here?
    pseudoscience what is that?
    the univers is a system far more complex then anything
    Your main problem is that you do not know all his rules and how they apply, you just guess and dream how they are.
    In reality your vison of the univers is just a dream.
    Get back to study this rules if you wanna understand it.
    Why? because only in your mind you can create the univers the way you want it not in reality ,and that puts you on a dilusional path that in your curent existance will not get you on the right track and you will get only a fake answer.
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    Which part of what I said was dillusional - you never said. IMHO, and I have studied science at great length, nothing happens by two particles banging upon themselves - at least, not outside alledged academia.

    The science of reason says an external factor's impacts can only make this occur. If a key is found on Mars and allocated to a random fluke, it can be accepted; but not so if an exclusively exacting counterpart 'lock' is also found on Mars.

    The universe sructures are 'intergrated' - which negates randomity. Jitterbugging particles producing complex universes = slight of hand casino science.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DoctorFate
    Quote Originally Posted by IamJoseph
    Whatever drives base particle reactions, fusion or fission, the strong force is said to be an external crucial factor, and contained inside and outside of atoms. The Q is, while both the force and the particle components create reactions, do forces come before matter [particles]? This factor can relate to the BBT - namely if a force drives matter, or are these both equivalent and intergrated counterpart entities?





    Reactions
    If nuclei come close enough together, they can interact with one another through the strong nuclear force, and reactions between the nuclei can occur. As in chemical reactions, nuclear reactions can either be exothermic (i.e. release energy) or endothermic (i.e. require energy input). Two major classes of nuclear reactions are of importance: fusion and fission.

    Fusion
    Fusion is a nuclear process in which two light nuclei combine to form a single heavier nucleus. An example of a fusion reaction important in thermonuclear weapons and in future nuclear reactors is the reaction between two different hydrogen isotopes to form an isotope of helium:

    2H + 3H ----> 4He + n

    This reaction liberates an amount of energy more than a million times greater than one gets from a typical chemical reaction. Such a large amount of energy is released in fusion reactions because when two light nuclei fuse, the sum of the masses of the product nuclei is less than the sum of the masses of the initial fusing nuclei. Once again, Einstein's equation, E=mc2, explains that the mass that is lost it converted into energy carried away by the fusion products.

    Fission
    Fission is a nuclear process in which a heavy nucleus splits into two smaller nuclei. An example of a fission reaction that was used in the first atomic bomb and is still used in nuclear reactors is
    235U + n ----> 134Xe + 100Sr + 2n


    The products shown in the above equation are only one set of many possible product nuclei. Fission reactions can produce any combination of lighter nuclei so long as the number of protons and neutrons in the products sum up to those in the initial fissioning nucleus. As with fusion, a great amount of energy can be released in fission because for heavy nuclei, the summed masses of the lighter product nuclei is less than the mass of the fissioning nucleus.
    Fission occurs because of the electrostatic repulsion created by the large number of positively charged protons contained in a heavy nucleus.
    As you have seen all things happend and behave exactly as the rules say.
    All what they do is to apply this rules and by their actions comes our reality
    The force that drives them is a huge force that keeps the system in motion.The engine that speens all and force all to interact.
    This force acts at a subatomic level on the raw mattery that the univers is made of making rules like Fusion and reactions to happen.
    Some of you are starting to determine that source and as hard as it is for you is the correct point to start(keep up the good work)
    H2O = water. There is H and O on all the solar system planets. Does the earth result still applyas a constant if no water is seen in the solar system? If yes, we need not look for water out there anymore. If no - then the particles that interact to cause fussion or fission must have an impacting factor in control, delivering conditions and results specific to one scenario. This denotes an external impacting factor in the control suite, not the particles.
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    The particles act as chips, and are inactive and inert save for the program wired into them. The controling external factor must control all sectors, including the receptivity of the chips and their recognising of other wired chips - else again, nothing or something totally variant, will result.

    If randomity was a factor here, then H & O interactions would not ALWAYS result in H2O. Similarly, fussion and fission are predicable only because their chip wirings anticipate the result.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lightingbird
    Heres my thoughts. The universe is guessed about 20 billion years or so I believe. Our galaxy is about 13ish or so. Factor in the big bang theory and to me it equates to something bigger. I've always wondered if the "big bang" was more of a conception thing. Say the start of a new creature on a cellular level. It has made me think that what we are all in is a larger developiing organism. This would explain the expanding and constant change.

    Sure there is no proof to it. It just seems so possible to me. Almost scary when you think about it.
    I've also had similar thoughts. It's always seemed quite bizarre and creepy to me, but I can see some possibility of it, although I'd find it impossible to explain myself. We can never really be sure of what's "on the outside". Perhaps one day, though (gosh, I wish I'd be alive until some answers come up!)...
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