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  1. #1 Why can't we go faster than the light. Is this speculation physical or mathematical? 
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    According to the equation of relativity for a macroscopic object to go at the speed of light it needs infinite energy (E = mc ^ 2 / root (1-v ^ 2 / c ^ 2) with E the energy and c the speed of light and v the speed of the object, if v = c we have E tends to infinity).


    However, this answer is purely mathematical or infinity exists, but in physics infinity does not exist and any magnitude experiences saturation.


    Mathematics does not manage time, and a number does not exist in reality nor infinity which is a sum of numbers for example 1 + 2 + 3 + 4 .. = infinity.


    In physics manages time and any system has a lifetime and finite energy for example 1 + 2 + 3 + 4 .. = - 1/12 physically, and this equality is verified with experimental physics with the casimir effect and mathematically refute.


    Infinity does not exist anywhere in our universe everything has a finite life and energy even our whole universe.


    For example at the start of the universe there are indications that maybe matter could have gone faster than light, and there is a contradiction with the theory of relativity so there are theories which assume that the speed of light has varied, and that the theory of relativity works but with a varying speed of light, or we assume another theory with an inflation phase or the theory of relativity does not.


    What if it's just a matter of energy and the energy of the beginning of the universe has all just hit a physical threshold where it goes faster than the speed of light.


    Even the theories of quantum gravity predict a variation of the speed of light according to the energy level and also other theories alternative to the theory of inflation.


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    Theories of a variable speed of light - Wikipedia


    So with his theories if normally have reached an energy Emax the speed of light can vary up to 10 ^ 60 c and the new speed of the object v can exceed the speed of c = 300,000 km / s up to v10 ^ 60 c according to observations of the past of the universe.


    What if there is an energy that can be applied to a macroscopic object even with a short time to get it to go at the speed of light or higher and that depends on the property of the object.


    Maybe we have to formulate the problem in the form of a series that mathematically gives infinity for example 1 + 2 + 3 + 4 .. = infinity because I would need an infinite energy, but physically will give an energy finite by example 1 + 2 + 3 + 4 + .. = - 1/12 to apply to an object to go faster than light.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Math10 View Post
    According to the equation of relativity for a macroscopic object to go at the speed of light it needs infinite energy
    And, following your argument that comes after this, infinite energy doesn't exist.
    Thus we have: no chance of infinite energy = no chance of an object with mass achieving c.
    For example at the start of the universe there are indications that maybe matter could have gone faster than light
    Really? (Clue: no).
    What if there is an energy that can be applied to a macroscopic object even with a short time to get it to go at the speed of light or higher
    As you've argued - this is not possible.
    and that depends on the property of the object.
    Such as?
    Maybe we have to formulate the problem in the form of a series that mathematically gives infinity for example 1 + 2 + 3 + 4 .. = infinity because I would need an infinite energy, but physically will give an energy finite by example 1 + 2 + 3 + 4 + .. = - 1/12 to apply to an object to go faster than light.
    Nope.
    Mathematics is not physics.
    And the 1/12 is a special case.


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    But a finite physical energy instead of a just mathematical infinite energy can exist.
    The behavior of matter during inflation there are several theory to explain this among its theories there are theories which say that the speed of light has varied.

    It is true that nothing can exceed the speed of light but nothing prevents to find the conditions to change the speed of light to be able to go faster than 300000 km /s.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Math10 View Post
    But a finite physical energy instead of a just mathematical infinite energy can exist.
    Correct.
    But a finite amount of energy won't allow an object to reach c.
    The behavior of matter during inflation
    Go back and look what actually expanded.
    there are theories which say that the speed of light has varied.
    And how do they hold up?
    It is true that nothing can exceed the speed of light but nothing prevents to find the conditions to change the speed of light to be able to go faster than 300000 km /s.
    That's something different altogether.
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    With a finite amount of energy, we can turn this object into light to go at the speed of light, or create the conditions of the universe's past during inflation to go at the speed of light or more.
    Here are more details on his theories.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_gravity
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Variable_speed_of_light
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    Quote Originally Posted by Math10 View Post
    With a finite amount of energy, we can turn this object into light to go at the speed of light
    Then it's no longer an object is it?
    or create the conditions of the universe's past during inflation to go at the speed of light or more.
    Once again: go back and actually read what happened during that inflation. Objects did NOT move at, or faster than, light speed.
    You're still not learning, are you?
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    Yes I know that in this phase of inflation we assume rather that space-time has inflated according to the standard model. However, the theory of inflation which assumes this is not certain and there are other alternative theories to the theory of inflation which rather assumes a variation in the speed of light to explain this first phase of the universe. And even the best theory that exists in theory, Loop Quantum Gravity Theory assumes that the speed of light can vary with energy level.
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