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  1. #1 Can there be a future without a past? 
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    A statement a friend made got me thinking. "There can be no future without a past"

    Is this statement true and if not to what extent?


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    Quote Originally Posted by mst
    A statement a friend made got me thinking. "There can be no future without a past"

    Is this statement true and if not to what extent?
    assuming the question is philosophical; everything that is can have a future. the relation to a past of no value, since at some point in this past it ceases from the beginning.

    from the science side; what make up something or the beginning of something, is from something else which then has both the infinite past and future of something in eternal change.


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    Quote Originally Posted by jackson33
    from the science side; what make up something or the beginning of something, is from something else which then has both the infinite past and future of something in eternal change.
    Huh? Infinite past? Those sort of infinities keep people up at night!
    As is often the case with technical subjects we are presented with an unfortunate choice: an explanation that is accurate but incomprehensible, or comprehensible but wrong.
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    Huh? Infinite past? Those sort of infinities keep people up at night!
    I agree, these kind of questions are bad for the digestion. It's best just to open your eyes wide, say WOW and drool a little then get on with things.
    Fry me a kipper skipper, I'll be back for breakfast!
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    Okay, I firmly believe that there are other universes, unaccessable to us with their own laws and charactiristics and there is an infinate number of them. So that every single possibility is played out.

    But lets ignore those.......

    In OUR universe we know through atmoic decay that time will at some point come to an end. It is because of this fact the universe DOES and WILL end we can easily say with 100% certainty that is MUST have had a beginning.
    The hand of time rested on the half-hour mark, and all along that old front line of the English there came a whistling and a crying. The men of the first wave climbed up the parapets, in tumult, darkness, and the presence of death, and having done with all pleasant things, advanced across No Man's Land to begin the Battle of the Somme. - Poet John Masefield.

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    Quote Originally Posted by leohopkins
    In OUR universe we know through atmoic decay that time will at some point come to an end. It is because of this fact the universe DOES and WILL end we can easily say with 100% certainty that is MUST have had a beginning.
    Sorry leo, that doesn't follow - it is entirely plausible that new matter is being created all the time and that even though an individual atom is finite in time that a collection of such atoms be eternal. To claim otherwise is to commit the fallacy of division, each part of the universe is finite in time and thus the universe itself is finite in time.
    As is often the case with technical subjects we are presented with an unfortunate choice: an explanation that is accurate but incomprehensible, or comprehensible but wrong.
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    A future without a past is kind of like an up without a down, a good without a bad, beautiful without ugly, fast without slow............... etc.

    Future is a relative/comparative term. The word itself has no meaning without a frame of reference. So, really we're not discussing reality. We're just discussing semantics.
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    I think this whole thread is a load of bollocks. - There I said it!
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    Its not true

    Future time dimemssion already exists.
    Past simply expanding into this dimenssion.

    End of thoughts
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    from a personal perspective : i know i have a past because my memory tells me so - as for the future, i can only assume that i have one + for how much longer is anybody's guess

    definitely a philosophy question
    "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away." (Philip K. Dick)
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    The moment of Bing Bang has no past.
    where are we? what are we?
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    Quote Originally Posted by temur
    The moment of Bing Bang has no past.
    exactly. Big bang had no past.
    past and future are properties of time. If time is not there then there wont be a past neither there will be a future.
    at the begining of time no part of time is gone, so there was no past thet time according to what we call time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by temur
    The moment of Bing Bang has no past.
    that is only the case if time really started at the big bang - not everyone thinks this is true, i.e. if there was something else leading up to the big bang (see New Scientist article) then time would have existed before the big bang
    "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away." (Philip K. Dick)
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    future has a past just as up has a down time is not testable or provable its our linear sense of beginning and end which is just no so nothing begins and nothing ends it changes, evolves, reconstitutes.
    how can some thing so unmeasurable take hold so well?
    time is not constant and therefore cannot exist. forwards is the proposed direction of time, this is a linear expression everything has depth and width except time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anomaly
    time is not constant and therefore cannot exist.
    i'm sure the universe is full of things that aren't constant and still exist - so why not time ?
    "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away." (Philip K. Dick)
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