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    no idea where this should really be placed...

    in the beginning, before the big bang or whatever some people think happened, when there was a big ball of 'stuff,' and nothing else, what was that stuff? was it protons, neutrons, and electrons, or was it quarks, gluons, neutrinos, and the various leptons?


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    It was a sort of rich concentrated 'universal soup' being mixed by two aliens, as they added in a dash of c3p071a4n15 - well you know the rest.

    How the hell should we know!


    I think you'll find at the instant of the big bang, there were no particles just a 'blob' of energy not even any photons - but the life of the universe pre 5 billion years ago is of no consequence or interest whatsoever to me so I could be wrong here (not about the soup though, that can never be disproved).


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    In answer to your question. A singularity; "space" that is the medium we are free to roam around in in three dimensions; simply did not exist. a singularity of infinate energy. Some kind of quantum fluctuation occured than BANG the universe was born. (that does not reflect my personal view, but that is the generally accepted idea of an inflationary universe within the standard model)
    The hand of time rested on the half-hour mark, and all along that old front line of the English there came a whistling and a crying. The men of the first wave climbed up the parapets, in tumult, darkness, and the presence of death, and having done with all pleasant things, advanced across No Man's Land to begin the Battle of the Somme. - Poet John Masefield.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chemboy
    no idea where this should really be placed...

    in the beginning, before the big bang or whatever some people think happened, when there was a big ball of 'stuff,' and nothing else, what was that stuff? was it protons, neutrons, and electrons, or was it quarks, gluons, neutrinos, and the various leptons?
    Father Georges Lemaitrae, the creator of the expanding universe, reasoned that there was a 'primeval' atom that all this material came from. It was supposed to be big. About earth(?) size.

    Needless to say, although they bought his expanding space idea, they discarded the PA.

    So today, there is no solution as to how it all started prior to Planck time of 10^-44 seconds.
    So that period is a blank in the BB universe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chemboy
    no idea where this should really be placed...

    in the beginning, before the big bang or whatever some people think happened, when there was a big ball of 'stuff,' and nothing else, what was that stuff? was it protons, neutrons, and electrons, or was it quarks, gluons, neutrinos, and the various leptons?
    I believe a phase-transition occurred: the pre-existence trajected through a critical point precipitating the Universe we now observe. Critical points are all around us, the "straw that breaks the camel's back" is the common wording but it has very precise mathematical formulations in terms of Catastrophe Theory. Often, around us when we see a transition through a critical point, the end point is very different from the state before the critical point was reached: a bridge suddenly collapsing, water turning to ice, gun powder exploding, warring nations . . . marriage. But I digress. These to me are echoes of the very beginning of our existence and thus I must conclude that the pre-existence was very different from the Universe we now observe. It's difficult to imagine that our laws of physics may not apply to that pre-existence, constants of nature irrelevant, thermodynamics inapplicable, and matter as you suggest, even the elementary particles you mentioned, qualitatively different from what's on the other side of the critical point responsible for the Big-Bang.
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    So that period is a blank in the BB universe.
    yes it is since its a singularity at that time and all our laws of physics no matter wich collapses at that point and there is no time between 0 PT and 1PT since its the smallest step possible to step forward in time
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    Quarks and gluons came fist and they formed the atoms
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike NS
    Father Georges Lemaitrae, the creator of the expanding universe,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Megabrain
    It was a sort of rich concentrated 'universal soup' being mixed by two aliens, as they added in a dash of c3p071a4n15 - well you know the rest.

    How the hell should we know!


    I think you'll find at the instant of the big bang, there were no particles just a 'blob' of energy not even any photons - but the life of the universe pre 5 billion years ago is of no consequence or interest whatsoever to me so I could be wrong here (not about the soup though, that can never be disproved).
    now thats good. kind of reminds me of reading most of BBT. haven't laughed so much since, either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nevyn
    Quarks and gluons came fist and they formed the atoms
    BBT, suggest that no form of matter (none) was sent out fro an original point. the heat was so great nothing could be. as time went on and this stuff cooled form of matter took shape and combined. at least its the way i read it...

    now what created this heat to start with should be the question and since expansion was into nothingness what was it that cooled it. if it were said nothingness was the really hot place, i could understand an expansion, over what must have been a comparatively short time. things i know of do not react very well to cold.
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    Yeah, by the way it also accounts for all the amino acids that seemed to spring from nowhere.
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    I think that you will find that amino acids can be created in a lab.
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