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  1. #1 What are dimensions made out of ? 
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    As i understand it, outside of the universe there is absolute nothingness you cannot go there because "there" does not exist.
    But inside the universe we can move about, sing and do whatever we like.

    So what is a dimension made out of, that allows us to do this ?
    Or better yet is there an answer to this question ?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat1981(England)
    As i understand it, outside of the universe there is absolute nothingness you cannot go there because "there" does not exist.
    But inside the universe we can move about, sing and do whatever we like.

    So what is a dimension made out of, that allows us to do this ?
    Or better yet is there an answer to this question ?
    why cant you go there? if the universe ends and is in a dimension then where that dimension ends, is not limited to where the universe is. you would simply leave the universe.

    i think you referring to dimension's with in a dimension or where things may co-exist, not observable to the other. in this case, if there are, you would have to change or conform to enter that dimension. some think this could happen at death or when this dimension will not exist to you, if you are still something.


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    Some people say that if you travel in a straight line in the universe then you will end up back where you started.

    To me, I think this is complete well, rubbish.

    My hypothosis is that, as soon as you past the last chunk of matter within the far reaches of the universe; you could keep going because you would be creating more space as you go. You would literally be chaning the shape of the universe; you wouldnt leave the universe either. You would have created a tunnel of space behind you.

    Electrons jump into higher dimensions when the make the quantum leap from one orbital palne to another (so i believe) as does the nucleus of the atom. And as we are made of the very stuff that does this; im wondering why we don't experience these higher dimensions?....................................... .................or do we !?!?
    The hand of time rested on the half-hour mark, and all along that old front line of the English there came a whistling and a crying. The men of the first wave climbed up the parapets, in tumult, darkness, and the presence of death, and having done with all pleasant things, advanced across No Man's Land to begin the Battle of the Somme. - Poet John Masefield.

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    dimension is usually defined to be in some reality. that is we live in a reality. your mind or brain may carry you into another dimension by way of your subconscious. when your dreaming for instance there can be no reality, but what you dream can effect what you do in this reality. the state of dementia, coma or loss of memory, even the original version of autistic, reality may be but not in the world we live. lots of things happen toward the end of a life which could be other then the dimension we live and the few that return, indicate some strange events.

    all things in the universe we do know, move at very rapid speed. we also know essentially we return to a same point with reference to what is understood. the earth on Jan.1 each year is about where is was last year, yet we speed around the sun at 20 miles per second. we think about every 150 million years, our little solar system rotates around the core of the Milky Way, we also seem to move with in a four galaxy formation.

    if you head out in a straight line and had some means to know this was straight, my GUESS is you would come to an end to matter that is the Universe. (understand i am not in the BB camp). it may take 100 times longer if you go one way rather than another (do not think we are anywhere near a center). space i feel goes on forever, as there is no age for the universe, there is no end to space. what beyond this and there should be something is beyond my imagination. even if multiple billions of universe, making up something unimaginable and as many of them as there are stars, at some point there should be and end of matter, even if not space.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat1981(England)
    As i understand it, outside of the universe there is absolute nothingness you cannot go there because "there" does not exist.
    But inside the universe we can move about, sing and do whatever we like.
    So far your understanding is as mainstream science believes.

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    So what is a dimension made out of, that allows us to do this ?
    Or better yet is there an answer to this question ?
    Sounds as if you are looking for a dimension to be something physical - it is not, if anything a dimension is a measurement, representing a quality of some physical object, such as length, motion [or time if you have not yet 'upgraded'], perhaps even 'force'.

    So it's a name for a measurement of some kind, in maths it is to do with fixing a position, two coordinates on the surface of earth for example [lat & long] are the dimensions of you position, in space a minimum of 3 coordinates are required.
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    Space in the "dotleak" theory is decayed multidimensional dots, that has become 3d. It is the dots that makes the distance, if there is no dots, there is no distance. The reason why it takes time for a multidimensional dot to come by a distance is because there are dots in between.

    How's that?
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    Leaving Quiettly,

    There are few times when It looks as though the slim chance of a nobel prize for physics is to be awarded to a member of this forum.

    I regret to inform you your last post has missed the category on this occasion.
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    Man, that hurts. I guess I should delete it.

    Note: Only edited. Still alot I don't know.
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    I like your dot theory.....I have one better though......What about polkadots ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Megabrain
    Quote Originally Posted by Cat1981(England)
    So what is a dimension made out of, that allows us to do this ?
    Or better yet is there an answer to this question ?
    Sounds as if you are looking for a dimension to be something physical - it is not, if anything a dimension is a measurement, representing a quality of some physical object, such as length, motion [or time if you have not yet 'upgraded'], perhaps even 'force'.

    So it's a name for a measurement of some kind, in maths it is to do with fixing a position, two coordinates on the surface of earth for example [lat & long] are the dimensions of you position, in space a minimum of 3 coordinates are required.
    Megabrain I think he is asking what the universe is and not what a dimension is (this is what he wanted to ask I think)

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    picture a computerprogramm, a game forinctance, the room has an infinite size. One can say how big the view from the watcher is but one cannot acctually leave the room in the game. I would be like to try to run a microsoft programm on a linux computer. The only way for this to happen is if you convert the programm ...

    Im not saying that we are a computerprogram eventhough it wouldnt change the realness of our world.
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    "So what is a dimension made out of" - was the quote I was referring to, which is slightly different to "What is the universe", at least I think so... 8)
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    has anyone played 1nsane, or lylatwars multiplayer on the n64?
    there you had a repeating world which worked perfectly.
    once you hit the edge, you ended up on the other side of the map pretty seamlessly.
    its certainly mathematically possible with a repeating universe, where you travel in a straight line and end up where you started.

    i think too many people here have been watching turtles, and such, with dimension X, and "other dimensional creatures" and such bollocks.

    a dimension, is simply a size. thats it.
    to give you a wake-up call:

    whats the size for this.
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    whats the dimensions for this.

    and thats all there is to it. nothing magical.

    adding another dimension simply implies adding another measure of the universe.
    in that respect, temperature could be a 1-dimensional length, if you gave it one.
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    Ty all for the replies

    What i was trying to ask (in a very bad way) was.......

    Imagine one of those artist's pictures showing the universe as a rugby ball or american football ball, outside the universe in the dark part there is no mater or energy, but inside the universe we are all here with lots of other matter etc.

    So what is it that lets matter etc exist ? A dimension ? Ok, big bang, dimensions are created, and inside of the dimensions energy etc.

    So a dimension is not something physical, but must be more than a measurement (IF) an atom (NEEDS) to be inside of it to exist.

    I hope this makes my thinking clearer to u, if not plz delete my registration, ban me from your web site and send me a short but nice email telling me to fu*k off for asking stupid questions
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    We'd rather you stayed and continued to give us all a good laugh!.

    Seriously, have a look around at some of the other threads, yours was a searching question and provoked thoughtful debate, and clearly one or two google searches by posters, that's a good thing.

    Stick around.

    As to the nature of the universe it seems wherever you go you end up here, this being the case there is no boundary to the universe. There is no 'outside' yet you can travel in a 'straight line' forever, passing back here every now and again. It is 'bounded', there is no 'escape'. Expanding? every second you wait before you 'set off' on your straight line means you will have further to go before you get back here. It's a leap of faith to accept it as, in normal life we see limits to everything we physically encounter, simply, we do not have a brain to comprehend the universe, just mathematics to explain it.
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    what if dark matter and energy is an interuniversal space and time "lift"?
    when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth
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    Example:

    To get from 2 dimensional to 3 dimensional, you magnify.

    The end of the universe must have some form of force, so it doesn't collapse too fast. So there maybe no big bang.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dejawolf
    what if dark matter and energy is an interuniversal space and time "lift"?
    What if?

    well I don't think it would change anything, whatever it means

    N.B 'interuniversal' does not appear in the Oxford, and there appears to be no definition on-line. References to it seem to be confined to some sort of 'healing'.

    Quote Originally Posted by starlight
    Example:
    To get from 2 dimensional to 3 dimensional, you magnify.
    The end of the universe must have some form of force, so it doesn't collapse too fast. So there maybe no big bang.
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    i think too many people here have been watching turtles, and such, with dimension X, and "other dimensional creatures" and such bollocks.
    ^^ tell me about it...

    Well, we (still) do not know if the universe warps you to the other end if you leave it, which is theoretically impossible (till now) to even make it to the end.
    I do not beleve(but hey, thats just me) anybody can prove it for a long time.
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    All of those wordy explanations and theories I think go a little bit too far. Our simple logic tells us that there is a 'something' outside of our something. Someone pointed out that our brains cannot comprehend this, and I do agree. I find our lives interesting for a few reasons, and take from this what you will.. No matter what you decide to do with your life, even devote it to physics and astronomy to figure out the origins of the existence of everything, we still must all deal with the myriads of obstacles put in front of us in our everyday. Take out the trash, do the dishes, get dressed, do your hair, take a shower, waste time driving from point A to point B, sleep, have pointless conversations with people about pointless things. The more that I examine these trivial things we do everyday the more I cant help to think that these things are there to attempt to keep us from thinking about the things 'beyond' our current comprehension. Ok, that was slightly off topic, but I do have a point somewhere...

    Using Occams(sp?) Razor.. the simplest explanation is usually correct. So what is more likely, that there are all of these wordy theories on whats outside of the known universe and you may end up back where you started....Orrrrr, that there is a 'something' outside of what we're able to observe and we try to explain it away because we dont know, with wordy theories which aren't really logical... Does this sound familiar?....religion maybe? Thousands of years ago when people couldn't explain why things were going on in their enviroment, they created the mythology of religion to explain these things. So too I belive some scientists have created really out there theories on what is 'beyond' our universe. It's much easier i believe to simply state the theory, "We dont know, but our current logic and intelligence tells us that there is SOMETHING."

    That Jim Carrey movie almost perfectly resembles our situation. He grows up in this town thats on an island, with plenty of water between him and the 'other side'. We're trapped very nicely here trillions and trillions of light years from even being close to the edge of our universe. Something to consider...
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    The current BB theory is that you cannot step outside the BB universe because there is NO space out there.
    This is what Cat is referring to.

    This is just another reason of why the BB is so ludicrous.

    My opinion is that space extends to infinity but the BB'ers say that space terminates at the boundary of the BB.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike NS
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    The current BB theory is that you cannot step outside the BB universe because there is NO space out there.
    This is what Cat is referring to.

    This is just another reason of why the BB is so ludicrous.

    My opinion is that space extends to infinity but the BB'ers say that space terminates at the boundary of the BB.

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    If there were more space, then that'd be part of the universe too. What's ludicrous is suggesting that there's more universe than the whole universe. What sense does that make? "BB'ers" do not discount the possibility of infinite space though there is certainly a boundary due to the speed of light cutting off events that are no longer able to affect us in any way. Events outside that boundary are still part of the universe, they're just not part of the universe for us anymore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike NS
    Jackson

    The current BB theory is that you cannot step outside the BB universe because there is NO space out there.
    This is what Cat is referring to.

    This is just another reason of why the BB is so ludicrous.

    My opinion is that space extends to infinity but the BB'ers say that space terminates at the boundary of the BB.

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    My opinion is that space extends to infinity but the BB'ers say that space terminates at the boundary of the BB.
    bb say nothing about space bieng finite or infinite. BB has nothing to do with it.
    btw no one cares of your opinion since as seen they are never based upon logic and facts

    BB talk about universe as the visible universe. and if they talk outside the universe its often refered to as multiverse
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    Quote Originally Posted by leohopkins
    Some people say that if you travel in a straight line in the universe then you will end up back where you started.

    To me, I think this is complete well, rubbish.

    My hypothosis is that, as soon as you past the last chunk of matter within the far reaches of the universe; you could keep going because you would be creating more space as you go. You would literally be chaning the shape of the universe; you wouldnt leave the universe either. You would have created a tunnel of space behind you.

    Electrons jump into higher dimensions when the make the quantum leap from one orbital palne to another (so i believe) as does the nucleus of the atom. And as we are made of the very stuff that does this; im wondering why we don't experience these higher dimensions?....................................... .................or do we !?!?
    It is a proven caculetable fact that you can and will return to your destanation if you travel in a straght line. emagine our universe as the game astroids. if you go to far in any direction you will loop back to the other side. this can be proven through calculations resulting in our donught shaped universe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rhinorulz
    Quote Originally Posted by leohopkins
    Some people say that if you travel in a straight line in the universe then you will end up back where you started.

    To me, I think this is complete well, rubbish.

    My hypothosis is that, as soon as you past the last chunk of matter within the far reaches of the universe; you could keep going because you would be creating more space as you go. You would literally be chaning the shape of the universe; you wouldnt leave the universe either. You would have created a tunnel of space behind you.

    Electrons jump into higher dimensions when the make the quantum leap from one orbital palne to another (so i believe) as does the nucleus of the atom. And as we are made of the very stuff that does this; im wondering why we don't experience these higher dimensions?....................................... .................or do we !?!?
    It is a proven caculetable fact that you can and will return to your destanation if you travel in a straght line. emagine our universe as the game astroids. if you go to far in any direction you will loop back to the other side. this can be proven through calculations resulting in our donught shaped universe.
    Er it's not actually a proven fact, that would imply some test had irrefutably have proven it, this is not the case, current cosmological thinking suggests it is true, mathematics supports the hypothesis but proven? - not yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Megabrain
    Quote Originally Posted by dejawolf
    what if dark matter and energy is an interuniversal space and time "lift"?
    What if?

    well I don't think it would change anything, whatever it means

    N.B 'interuniversal' does not appear in the Oxford, and there appears to be no definition on-line. References to it seem to be confined to some sort of 'healing'.

    Quote Originally Posted by starlight
    Example:
    To get from 2 dimensional to 3 dimensional, you magnify.
    The end of the universe must have some form of force, so it doesn't collapse too fast. So there maybe no big bang.
    interuniversal:. inter:inside+universal:everthing=inside everything?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Megabrain
    Quote Originally Posted by rhinorulz
    Quote Originally Posted by leohopkins
    Some people say that if you travel in a straight line in the universe then you will end up back where you started.

    To me, I think this is complete well, rubbish.

    My hypothosis is that, as soon as you past the last chunk of matter within the far reaches of the universe; you could keep going because you would be creating more space as you go. You would literally be chaning the shape of the universe; you wouldnt leave the universe either. You would have created a tunnel of space behind you.

    Electrons jump into higher dimensions when the make the quantum leap from one orbital palne to another (so i believe) as does the nucleus of the atom. And as we are made of the very stuff that does this; im wondering why we don't experience these higher dimensions?....................................... .................or do we !?!?
    It is a proven caculetable fact that you can and will return to your destanation if you travel in a straght line. emagine our universe as the game astroids. if you go to far in any direction you will loop back to the other side. this can be proven through calculations resulting in our donught shaped universe.
    Er it's not actually a proven fact, that would imply some test had irrefutably have proven it, this is not the case, current cosmological thinking suggests it is true, mathematics supports the hypothesis but proven? - not yet.
    that is what I said, or at least thought.
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    Inter is between, as intercourse, that is communication between two or more individuals. Intra is within, as in intranet, local etc.

    oh welcome to the forum by the way, have a 'nice stay'.

    and 'double posting is frowned upon here, if you wish to add something, edit your original post - ta.
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