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    What would it take to kick start a dead universe? Once a universe is finished, can it rise from the dead?

    I've heard of heat death and cool death.

    Heat death doesn't necessarily mean everything is frozen does it? Is it a total loss of energy or is it a lot of energy available but no work can be done?

    Cool death, correct me if I'm wrong, is the total decay of the universe with no way to ever reassemble?

    Either way, can a dead universe come back to life? If so, is there a mechanism currently known that could precipitate a rising from the dead?


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    Might not the heat death be a living universe? the way i see it, a lot of photons going in the same direction can easily simulate a universe, since a universe in short is a bunch of photons moving in the same direction time. So it would actually become a new universe and based on my experience, the vector movement would not differ from time. We are merely waves along a coordinate that through speed becomes infinitely thin. The electromagnetic force etc. is just photons repelling and attracting eachother because of their direction. These are common wave behaviors. So actually, I think that the universe don't have to "reboot" for there to be life.


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    Well it's kind of hard to jump to can the universe be reborn when we're not even sure how it was created in the first place. The Big Bang, how the hell did that start? How would it start again? If it was just a bunch of super compact matter and that's all that the universe ever was, then I would suppose the universe could never come back to life. Of course unless matter, energy, or anything bled of from another dimension? The question mark is there to show I have no idea what the hell I'm talking about . If the universe is constantly expanding I don't see how it could re-compact. Unless there is a point that it hits and rebounds? Then re-compacting, somehow re-energizing, and once again exploding? (more question marks haha)

    I read someones completely hypothetical idea that black holes bleed off into other dimensions when they are too 'full'. I'm really just shooting of pseudoscience here, sorry.
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    You'll need a thick pair of cables and another universe... :wink:
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    The old universe is the new universe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeavingQuietly
    The old universe is the new universe.
    As I understand it when the universe is dead it will be at a point where all matter has decayed and even black holes have 'leaked away' this will leave only photons spreading out forever, so NO.
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    the only thing i have seen close to this thought, refered to matter and its eventual decay. since this decay is known and the eventual rebirth of other things from this decayed stuff is well known its hard to imagine that. the star formation of old dead matter is rebirth and whats created or new matter.

    as to hot or cold. this may be in connection to expanding universe or the idea at some distant time we would see nothing in the night sky, should have nothing to do with with a stars function as temperatures in space are already about as cold as possible.
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    Well I think when this one is all over thatt's it, no more - photons forever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Megabrain
    Quote Originally Posted by LeavingQuietly
    The old universe is the new universe.
    As I understand it when the universe is dead it will be at a point where all matter has decayed and even black holes have 'leaked away' this will leave only photons spreading out forever, so NO.
    Actually, YES.

    Since the photons that exist simulate a universe in the same way the photons that makes our matter, simulate the matter of our universe. Since energy is preserved, and mass has the energy mc^2, It must also have the momentum p, since momentum is preserved, and energy has momentum. So the simplest explenation to the existence of matter is that matter actually is photons moving in the speed of light. And as long as someone somewhere does not prove that the universe cannot be explained in such a way, i will believe it is so. Cause I believe that the movement of a photon is uniform. You may believe whatever you like.

    And i don't thing you can put your trust in that the black holes in some way prevents the photons with the the same direction from being as good as evenly distributed.

    This universe is a universe that has died the heatdeath. It is still alive anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kabooom
    Well it's kind of hard to jump to can the universe be reborn when we're not even sure how it was created in the first place. The Big Bang, how the hell did that start? How would it start again? If it was just a bunch of super compact matter and that's all that the universe ever was, then I would suppose the universe could never come back to life. Of course unless matter, energy, or anything bled of from another dimension? The question mark is there to show I have no idea what the hell I'm talking about . If the universe is constantly expanding I don't see how it could re-compact. Unless there is a point that it hits and rebounds? Then re-compacting, somehow re-energizing, and once again exploding? (more question marks haha)

    I read someones completely hypothetical idea that black holes bleed off into other dimensions when they are too 'full'. I'm really just shooting of pseudoscience here, sorry.
    you mentioned two parts of old theory...

    in some of the original big bang theory, after the BB all matter went outward and would in fact slow-stop and then return to its origin. no one seemed to come of with a reason why or when, so this was dropped by most.

    logically to consider BBT, you should believe (i guess) the universe will expand indefinitely at either near the speed of light or several times that speed. personally BB has very little in logic, to explain anything.

    i think your leaking out of black hole matter was linked to wormholes which formed with the BH. this was introduced in science fiction and worm holes or the exit of matter to another dimension or maybe universe.
    the cyclone style worm holes were dropped. the BH held on as an entity or something, but the hole is no longer thought to be a hole. what ever you feel BH are the end of them is pretty much accepted as evaporation.
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    on the idea of light waves; this is a human experience or at least what we call light. this energy, waves, beam, rays or whatever you call it will not go through matter. they are absorbed. that unit from our sun is heads out in all degrees from the sun and very small parts absorbed by each unit of matter it hits leaving the solar system. what leaves this system is not what was emitted.

    as to black hole visible light, there may simply be nothing in this thing, that has or creates our level wave, for sight. you will find some that feel certain other units on the EMS do reach our instruments or you can assume some waves are emitted we do not see above or below out concept. certainly in the suggested mass extreme heat should be present.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zinjanthropos
    What would it take to kick start a dead universe? Once a universe is finished, can it rise from the dead?

    I've heard of heat death and cool death.

    Heat death doesn't necessarily mean everything is frozen does it? Is it a total loss of energy or is it a lot of energy available but no work can be done?

    Cool death, correct me if I'm wrong, is the total decay of the universe with no way to ever reassemble?

    Either way, can a dead universe come back to life? If so, is there a mechanism currently known that could precipitate a rising from the dead?
    Well, the BB will suffer a frozen death if it continues to expand with not enough mass to stop this expansion.

    On the other hand, my idea of a SSU was projected by one individual that it would suffer a heat death because of the continued addition of photons with no relief.
    However, this cannot happen because photons are expanding to infinite deaths to blend in with the already existing EM fields.
    So the evaporated photons are replaced by the 'new' photons resulting from the new star formations to maintain a steady level of heat within the system.

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