Thread: matter and the expansion of the universe

pretty far out there but this came to me just now. if in the theory that the universe wastes nothing, it simply gets transformed into something else. then could new forms of matter, be it a new baby, a flower being grown or such like, be forcing the universe to expand in order to accomodate this new matter? and with matter popping into existence all the time all over the universe then this could explain the speed at which it is expanding. just an idea y'know

All the matter and energy that is, already is. Babies, flowers and such are just existing matter reformed.

yeah ut if space is expanding then new matter must be being formed to fill it

no that doesn't work either does it as all the matter that there is today was there at the big bang......bugger. still was worth a thought

actually, new matter is being formed all the time at the LHC. in the form of antinucleus. so my theory does hold some credence

That's the transformation of one type of matter into another. They take protons, add a lot of energy by smashing them into each other at relativistic speeds, and get new particles.

hence...new mass

its not a transformation of one particle to another. its a new mass particle

read up on it. then tell me different

i understand the transformation of matter. thats why i said it in my first comment

Originally Posted by karl0110

read up on it. then tell me different

I think that is advice that you should follow. PhDemon was correct.

just read up on antinucleai. if i'm wrong i'll hold my hands up

my first comment was going with the theory that new matter cannot be formed. and yes i did contradict myself until i discovered antinucleus

Originally Posted by karl0110

my first comment was going with the theory that new matter cannot be formed. and yes i did contradict myself until i discovered antinucleus

Given that you've just 'discovered' it, perhaps you should look a bit further.

PhDemon is quite correct that the total mass-energy in the reaction is conserved. It is a transformation, not the creation of new matter. Nothing is added to the universe.

this is what i meant when i sent it to my friend earlier.
if the theory that the universe wastes nothing, it simply gets transformed into something else, then could a new form of matter, be it a new baby, a new flower or whatever, be forcing the universe to expand in order to accomodate that matter. which could explain the fact that the expansion is speeding up. then i thought, no, because all the matter that there is now was in the form of energy in the singularity of the big bang. which obviously means that all the matter that is now, is all there ever has been so by my understanding of a few months ago means that no new matter can ever be formed right? due to matter and antimatter annihilating each other instantly. but obviously at the creation of the universe this would have resulted in nothing being formed. so obviously matter took over at some point. but i researched matter formation a little while ago and discovered that scientists have created new matter at the LHC and its called antinucleai. so new matter CAN be formed, which upholds my argument. new creations are forcing the universe to expand to accomodate it

have you read up on it alexG? perhaps you should stop ganging together with your 1000 or so posts with your other mates and look for new realisations? or maybe come up with your own theories instead of hanging about and disputing everyody elses before reading up on them. and yeah maybe i have got a slight attitude about it but i've looked at your posts and you've just copied google pal. it's easier to dispute something then come up with your own theory

then please correct me. i am open to it believe it or not where have i gone wrong?

Originally Posted by karl0110

but i researched matter formation a little while ago and discovered that scientists have created new matter at the LHC and its called antinucleai. so new matter CAN be formed

Go back and read posts #9 and #16.

which upholds my argument. new creations are forcing the universe to expand to accomodate it

What possible mechanism is at work?
Why would the universe have to have to expand to "accommodate new matter"?

i apologise alex G. i suppose i just dont like being proven wrong when i think i'm right :/

no, i did realise after that expansion does'nt necessarily mean empty space as the expansion of the universe is just 'for textook terms' like a balloon expanding. hence, what is there, has always been there

Originally Posted by karl0110

then could a new form of matter, be it a new baby, a new flower or whatever, be forcing the universe to expand in order to accomodate that matter.

Matter can be changed to energy, and vice versa, according to Einstein's famous formula; however, a new baby or flower would not be a good example of that. The new baby or flower would weigh pretty much the same as the chemicals from which they are formed - the food eaten by the mother, oxygen from the air she breathed, nutrients the flower takes in from the soil, carbon dioxide from respiration, and so forth.