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  1. #1 Black Holes 
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    Black holes pull in?

    How about everything else pulls out.
    Depense how you look at it.

    Just an idea.

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    Depense how you look at it.
    Not really. It is just gravity. Same as the earth. Would you say that rather than gravity holding us down everything else is holding us up?


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    Quote Originally Posted by spacesolidspace View Post
    Black holes pull in?

    How about everything else pulls out.
    Depense how you look at it.
    Agreed.
    It depends on how you look at it: the correct way or the wrong way.
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  5. #4 Black Holes: There is Science behind it 
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    A black hole isn't just a figment of imagination, they are real.

    A black hole, one of the mysteries in the universe.

    The concept of a black hole or a singularity is based upon the space-time as one inherent thing.
    Our idea of gravity is totally wrong. Physics Class 101: Big things attract smaller things.

    The definition of 'big' doesn't suit the sentence. In modern quantum physics the new definition of gravity is (simplified):

    The theoratical particles gravisons (AKA Higgs-bosons) stick to atoms. The more gravitons stick on an atom, the more it affects the space-time continuum.
    Or the more it has a gravity. Imagine the 4D (3D + time) as a 2D trampoline. Put a brick in the middle and a smaller ball at the edge. The ball will roll to the middle, to the brick.

    In this case the brick has the most HBs that are sticking, the ball has also HBs but few.
    The 13 elementary particles have all a specific function. The HBs relay the force known as gravity. They have an influence on the Higgsfield. The Higgsfield is all around us, that's why gravity is instantly over lightyears apart.

    That is the way a black hole works, it isn't just gravity, it's a lot more.

    If you bring in the M-theory, there are 11 dimensions and an infinite amount of realities.
    The Higgsfield will, according to the M-theory, also have an effect on the other dimensions. That's the way people brought up the idea of a White Hole. That should be the opposite of a black hole, the place where the anti-gravity nullifies the immense gravity (the HBs influence) and spit out all the absorbed mater and energy wich are submitted by a wormhole. Not the science-fiction ones, the so-called Einstein-Rosen bridges. (Look them up if you don't believe me).

    I will not bore you guys with the specifics of time relativity, a direct result of the Higgsfield.

    If you have any more questions, feel free to ask.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel Carter View Post
    If you have any more questions, feel free to ask.
    I have one: did you make up all that crap yourself?

    I guess what I really mean is: you seem to be confused about a number of things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel Carter View Post
    Our idea of gravity is totally wrong. Physics Class 101: Big things attract smaller things.
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    The theoratical particles gravisons (AKA Higgs-bosons) stick to atoms.
    Gravitons are not the same particle as the Higgs Boson.
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    The more gravitons stick on an atom, the more it affects the space-time continuum.
    Huh?
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    In this case the brick has the most HBs that are sticking, the ball has also HBs but few.
    The 13 elementary particles have all a specific function. The HBs relay the force known as gravity. They have an influence on the Higgsfield. The Higgsfield is all around us, that's why gravity is instantly over lightyears apart.
    You really need to hit the books...
    Gravity propagates at c.
    And what's all this about sushi rice?
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    If you bring in the M-theory, there are 11 dimensions and an infinite amount of realities.
    26 dimensions, except that many are curled up...
    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel Carter View Post
    The Higgsfield will, according to the M-theory, also have an effect on the other dimensions. That's the way people brought up the idea of a White Hole. That should be the opposite of a black hole, the place where the anti-gravity nullifies the immense gravity (the HBs influence) and spit out all the absorbed mater and energy wich are submitted by a wormhole. Not the science-fiction ones, the so-called Einstein-Rosen bridges. (Look them up if you don't believe me).
    I looked it up and I don't believe you.
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    I will not bore you guys with the specifics of time relativity, a direct result of the Higgsfield.

    If you have any more questions, feel free to ask.
    I have one... could you please bore us some more? It's entertaining.
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    I have concluded, through intensive observations, that blackholes are all existentialist stars who were unsatisfied with their existence as hydrogen clouds and decided to blow up themselves to become something equally unsatisfying.
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    Are rivers formed by the gravitational flow of water and the accompanying erosion, or did the continents drift atop their plates and get really, really close at contacting each other, but not hit each other, leaving a long rigid space full of water?
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    u know what........... uncles.......you should talk to my grandpa
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    Our idea of gravity is totally wrong. Physics Class 101: Big things attract smaller things.
    This is not at all what classical physics says; gravity is not a function of size. Where did you get that idea from ?

    The theoratical particles gravisons (AKA Higgs-bosons) stick to atoms.
    As was pointed out already, Higgs bosons are not the same as gravitons. Furthermore, the hypothetical graviton mediates only changes in the gravitational field, not the field itself; static gravitational fields thus act instantaneously. As a massless, uncharged spin-2 vector boson the graviton also doesn't "stick" to anything ( whatever that means ).

    The 13 elementary particles have all a specific function.
    Actually there are currently 18 known ones, not counting the graviton or anti-particles.

    That is the way a black hole works, it isn't just gravity, it's a lot more.
    The region of space-time enclosed by the event horizon is not causally connected to our universe; outside the event horizon there is just gravity, Hawking radiation, and possibly electromagnetic fields if one permits the possibility of black holes with a net electric charge.
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    no actually???
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    Gravity seems like a relatively simple idea to me. ( which probably means I have it wrong). Gravity is an attractive force excerted by all bodies in proportion to their mass. The attractive force between two bodies is the sum of of the gravitational force exerted by each and is proportional to the sum of their masses. Gravity does lessen with distance but slowly and never reaches zero. Plotted as a hyperbolic curve?
    Quantum gravity states that the observed gravitational forces is a warping of spacetime.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sealeaf View Post
    Gravity seems like a relatively simple idea to me. ( which probably means I have it wrong). Gravity is an attractive force excerted by all bodies in proportion to their mass. The attractive force between two bodies is the sum of of the gravitational force exerted by each and is proportional to the sum of their masses. Gravity does lessen with distance but slowly and never reaches zero. Plotted as a hyperbolic curve?
    All good except:
    Quantum gravity states that the observed gravitational forces is a warping of spacetime.
    General relativity describes gravity as warping of spacetime. A quantum theory of gravity (which we don't have yet) would combine this with quantum mechanics. Currently they seem incompatible.
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    The attractive force between two bodies is the sum of of the gravitational force exerted by each and is proportional to the sum of their masses.
    This is correct in Newtonian mechanics ( weak fields ), but for very strong gravitational fields other factors than just mass come into play as well. This is described by General Relativity.
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