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    The BB has a heck of a lot of more questions than the origin.

    Besides the 'no beginning universe', it has:

    What is driving the expansion since it was not an explosion?

    Where is all the missing mass to justify the uniform (flat space) expansion?

    What is the physical size of the BB?

    How can space suddenly terminate at the BB edges?

    What is the shape of the BB?

    If the balloon analogy is legitimate, what is in the center of the balloon?

    How can the missing mass be 10x to 20x greater than the visible mass and still not be seen?

    How can the gigantic galactic clusters be formed in the short lifetime of 13.7 ^9 years and with an expanding space opposing the gravity?

    How can the BB violate the Conservation Laws of Matter/Energy and be accepted by almost everyone?

    How can the CMBR be so smooth after 13.7^9 years of forming complex structured matter with all its variations?

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    What is driving the expansion since it was not an explosion?
    its thought to be higgsfield, at that time this a repulsive force

    Where is all the missing mass to justify the uniform (flat space) expansion?
    it was stretched flat. it isnt flat when matter is present

    What is the physical size of the BB?
    events dont have size. like if i throw a ball what size does that event has?

    How can space suddenly terminate at the BB edges?
    no one ever said it did. its probebly bent like a 4-sphere so it doesnt have a end but yes a size

    What is the shape of the BB?
    still events dont have shape either

    If the balloon analogy is legitimate, what is in the center of the balloon?
    when you tell me where the center of earth surface (not the earth sphere) but the surface then i give you a answer. the answer shall not be human decieded

    How can the missing mass be 10x to 20x greater than the visible mass and still not be seen?
    doesnt it interact with EM then it cant be seen

    How can the gigantic galactic clusters be formed in the short lifetime of 13.7 ^9 years and with an expanding space opposing the gravity?
    expansion fast
    expansion slower, mass is capable to collect
    and its thought expansion is again increasing

    How can the BB violate the Conservation Laws of Matter/Energy and be accepted by almost everyone?
    it doesnt violet it, since we dont know if nothing were before
    and also that law is violet every planck second
    that means its violeted atleast 10^44 times per second


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    Dear Mike,
    It is difficult (for me) to take your criticisms of the big bang serious when your very own "theories" have more holes in them than your underwear. And instead of patching your own holes, you choose to ignore them letting your "shit" hang out for the world to see.

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    william, he is a KNS. they exist just to make fun of them and to laugh at
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    You forgot to mention that they under a long time were faster then matter can actually be, hence had imaginary mass. As if the particles did not have mass (in my theory for example, the proton had no mass so it lost its electrostatic field for the magnetic one)

    And this would in Burkhard Heim's theory mean that the magnetic field would destroy the gravity field. I don't know if mass would dissapear for the proton also as an effect of this since i lost the magazine in which I read the stuff. But ya know. Perhaps. And then it wouldn't be anything strange at all that it expanded so fast.
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    Zelos

    I refuse to answer your weird replies that I cannot comprehend.

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    I think you agree with Zelos's solutions?

    Regarding your insult, have you been hanging out in public restrooms?
    I do not frequent those since I have my own to eliminate my refuse.

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    You forgot to mention that they under a long time were faster then matter can actually be, hence had imaginary mass. As if the particles did not have mass
    no, what speed space can have is different from what speed mass can have

    I refuse to answer your weird replies that I cannot comprehend.
    since youre a KNS
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    Quote Originally Posted by william
    Dear Mike,
    It is difficult (for me) to take your criticisms of the big bang serious when your very own "theories" have more holes in them than your underwear. And instead of patching your own holes, you choose to ignore them letting your "shit" hang out for the world to see.

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    Can you list the holes for the SSU so I can answer them?

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    My simple question is why did it all fly apart suddenly when we are told that black holes, just 'leak away'? if the mass density of the universe was ever at blackhole density why is it not still?

    I can understand why Mike has reservations, there are lots of scientists who also have reservations. As I have repeatedly said before, we all know the universe was smaller in the past, but we do not know how small it was when it began to expand.

    I think you owe it to Mike to try and let him have it in smaller doses, making sure he understands each point before you go further. I also believe nobody is going to cotradict Hawking while he is still alive out of pity. That's a harsh opinion I know, but it is an opinion I hold.
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    Quote Originally Posted by billco
    My simple question is why did it all fly apart suddenly when we are told that black holes, just 'leak away'? if the mass density of the universe was ever at blackhole density why is it not still?
    How does the dynamics of black holes have anything to say on expansion and inflation?
    As is often the case with technical subjects we are presented with an unfortunate choice: an explanation that is accurate but incomprehensible, or comprehensible but wrong.
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    My simple question is why did it all fly apart suddenly when we are told that black holes, just 'leak away'? if the mass density of the universe was ever at blackhole density why is it not still?
    How does the dynamics of black holes have anything to say on expansion and inflation?
    Let me go back a step, Was the universe by current theory, at any point, as dense as a black hole?
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    Quote Originally Posted by billco
    Let me go back a step, Was the universe by current theory, at any point, as dense as a black hole?
    How dense is a black hole? Are you taking its mass and dividing by the volume of its event horizon? If so then yes.

    If you are talking about infinite density at the singularity then no, the universe never had infinite mass density in our time line.
    As is often the case with technical subjects we are presented with an unfortunate choice: an explanation that is accurate but incomprehensible, or comprehensible but wrong.
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    My simple question is why did it all fly apart suddenly when we are told that black holes, just 'leak away'? if the mass density of the universe was ever at blackhole density why is it not still?
    since space dont expand in a black hole

    I also believe nobody is going to cotradict Hawking while he is still alive out of pity. That's a harsh opinion I know, but it is an opinion I hold.
    wow youre really jeaulus of hawking
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike NS
    Quote Originally Posted by william
    Dear Mike,
    It is difficult (for me) to take your criticisms of the big bang serious when your very own "theories" have more holes in them than your underwear. And instead of patching your own holes, you choose to ignore them letting your "shit" hang out for the world to see.

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    Can you list the holes for the SSU so I can answer them?

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    Hi Mike,
    We've done that before. You just keep repeating some 2/3 ratio B.S. You think you answer the questions but your answers are not correct.

    I don't have the energy....

    Have a good day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by william
    Hi Mike,
    We've done that before. You just keep repeating some 2/3 ratio B.S. You think you answer the questions but your answers are not correct.

    I don't have the energy....

    Have a good day.
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    That 2/3 ratio has to do with the highest stable ratio between the number of protons to neutrons in the heaviest elements. Any ratio higher than that automatically causes the decay of these elements.
    Check this out for yourself.

    I used this evidence to show that the Neutron star may not be stable.

    More proof is that the atmosphere on our planet is bombarded with free protons. The only source of these protons has to be neutron star decay by impacting bodies or just excess numbers to the protons that could have been trapped during the neutron stars final stages of its existence.

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    The only source of these protons has to be neutron star decay by impacting bodies or just excess numbers to the protons that could have been trapped during the neutron stars final stages of its existence.
    ever heard of sun wind?
    ever heard of blackholes? neutrons stars are stable and will exist until the day they ahve absorbed enough matter to become quark stars and when it get enough mass it collapses itno a blackhole
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    And all they can release is long frequency photons (long wavelength photons). If I'm not misstaken
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zelos
    ever heard of sun wind?
    ever heard of blackholes? neutrons stars are stable and will exist until the day they ahve absorbed enough matter to become quark stars and when it get enough mass it collapses itno a blackhole
    What has Sun wind got to do with neutron stars?

    The rest of your quote is nothing but 'subjective' theory.

    I cited two important factors. Heavy element decay and protons impacting in our atmosphere.
    These protons create 'gamma radiations' that are detected by the Cerenkov detectors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeavingQuietly
    And all they can release is long frequency photons (long wavelength photons). If I'm not misstaken
    I do not know if you are referring to my post or zelos's, but I will answer this regarding the 'proton' impacts on our atmospher.

    The answer is the same as the one to zelos. The protons create 'gamma rays' when striking our atmosphere.
    These are very short wavelengths.

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    The rest of your quote is nothing but 'subjective' theory.
    no no no, thats your theory. those theories got mathematical support and also all known physics allow them

    What has Sun wind got to do with neutron stars?
    nothing, buyt protons comes from the sun in ALOT
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    no no no, thats your theory. those theories got mathematical support and also all known physics allow them
    Once upon a time ALL evidence pointed to the earth being at the centre of the univsere, with the stars painted on glass spheres.....

    Like all known physics and maths supported bernoulli, reaction and aerofoil lift as different things for about 100 years. Along came NASA in march/april this year and dumped the lot.

    Mathematics first supported Particle theory, then wave theory, then decided it had to be "both, but not at the same time theory"

    Once electric current flowed from positive to negative as supported by all maths and 'all known physics' .... now it goes the other way....

    And just think all of these had far superior support than the big bang, hawking radiation, background radiation....... Just what makes you believe that everything is now 'cast in stone' ? Are you really naive enough to unconditionally believe/accept that a few foetal ideas are the answer, what will you think when half, yes HALF of that you hold dear is overturned?

    Remember I was taught the Steady state universe, I was as convinced then as you are now I knew the answers. May you live long enough...
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    Once upon a time ALL evidence pointed to the earth being at the centre of the univsere, with the stars painted on glass spheres.....
    no, no one cared about any evidence then

    well the rest is just baloni. some healthy sceptecism is healthy. but i say like this. Learn, accept, understand, question
    you havent even reached understand so questioning like a idiot dont u have any right to do
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    As usual, your ability to construct a sentence is surpassed only by your knowledge of science.
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    haha, billco feel that he is bieng stupidfied
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike NS
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    And all they can release is long frequency photons (long wavelength photons). If I'm not misstaken
    I do not know if you are referring to my post or zelos's, but I will answer this regarding the 'proton' impacts on our atmospher.

    The answer is the same as the one to zelos. The protons create 'gamma rays' when striking our atmosphere.
    These are very short wavelengths.

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    I'm talking black holes, not the atmosphere. But it doesn't matter, the atmosphere doesn't matter. Well it does matter in the sence that you've got to have it, but the only thing you ever have to do to keep it is to stop destroying it. Black holes are exciting new stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zelos
    those theories got mathematical support and also all known physics allow them

    buyt protons comes from the sun in ALOT
    Are you saying that the 'expansion of space' has mathematical support?

    Regarding the protons from the Sun. Are you implying that the protons that hit our atmosphere are coming from the Sun?
    They do not come from the Sun but come from all directions of the universe. They are called 'gamma ray bursters'.

    The only things coming from the Sun are the photons that are massless but do have momentum to blow away the light components of the impacting comets on the Sun.
    The heavier elements impact on the Sun to create the explosive solar flares. This has been proven by a NASA Solar X-ray Sattelite that recorded one such flare with a temperature of 20^6 K.
    The residual remains of this flare were 3 nuclei that had all their electrons blown away except the inner 2 electrons. These nuclei were iron, sulfur and oxygen.
    The electrons blown out of the Sun create all the havoc with the power grids and also create the beautiful 'Northern Lights'.
    The presence of the oxygen is proof that these flares are a product of an explosion.
    I used this data to write my solution for the Zwicky dark matter problem. Find it and read it.

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    Are you saying that the 'expansion of space' has mathematical support?
    not that, but it got observational support wich is veven harder proof

    They are called 'gamma ray bursters'.
    so its 2 neutron stars metling toghater wich throw out all protons? yes its very possible

    The only things coming from the Sun are the photons that are massless but do have momentum to blow away the light components of the impacting comets on the Sun.
    hehe dont make yourself look more stupid than you are. electrons and protons comes in billions from the sun. thats solar wind

    yorue talking about electorns but forgetting protons, they come aswell
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    As well as helium-3 Helium-4 neon-20/21/22 - argon-36.....
    And ions of just about every other element in the periodic table.....
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    Billco and zelos

    The Sun generates helium from hydrogen.
    The presence of the heavier elements come from the impacting comets that contain these heavier elements in much smaller amounts.
    Some of the heavier nuclei that had their electrons stripped away are much heavier than an electron, so if any of these heavier nuclei exited the Sun during these explosions, they would be in very small amounts.
    Electrons are the main components of these flares.

    It is true that helium was first detected on the Sun but the fragmenting of the heavier elements during these extremely high temperature explosions could separate some of the component 'ALPHA' nuclei (helium) that compose the heavier elements and especially the oxygen nucleus's.

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    mik,e im talking about individual protons
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zelos
    mik,e im talking about individual protons
    I was referring to the remains of the impacting comets or meteoroids.

    Any protons leaving the Sun would have much slower velocities than the electrons and therefore could be slowed still further by the Earths magnetic field.
    So I doubt that they could have the velocities of the 'gamma ray bursts' in our atmosphere.

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    Any protons leaving the Sun would have much slower velocities than the electrons and therefore could be slowed still further by the Earths magnetic field.
    So I doubt that they could have the velocities of the 'gamma ray bursts' in our atmosphere.
    maybe, F=qvB
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zelos
    maybe, F=qvB
    Supply the definitions for your components to the above formula.
    This is customary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike NS
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    maybe, F=qvB
    Supply the definitions for your components to the above formula.
    This is customary.

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    Anyone who has solved the MDM problem as you attest Mike should know that
    q = charge,
    v = velocity,
    B = magnetic field and
    F = force.

    And you should recognize that the cross product has been left out....

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    yes, but i werent dealing with vectors, in vector form its
    F=q(V x B)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zelos
    yes, but i werent dealing with vectors, in vector form its
    F=q(V x B)
    The addition of the parenthesis does not change the result.

    What does that have to do with the BB questions or to the gamma ray bursts?

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    I knew what the different values were for. I just wanted to make sure that
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike NS
    Willi

    I knew what the different values were for. I just wanted to make sure that
    Zelos was doing the same thing.

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    I was just giving you a little grief Mike.
    No harm intended.

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    it has to do with your hypthies of faster protoins having it easier to go throu magnetic field, this shows u that the force magnetic field makes on them increase with speed
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zelos
    it has to do with your hypthies of faster protoins having it easier to go throu magnetic field, this shows u that the force magnetic field makes on them increase with speed
    Well, I doubt that any free protons come from the Sun.
    All the free electrons are stripped from heavy nuclei like iron, sulfur and oxygen and blasted out into space.
    Any of the heavy nuclei that are blasted out of the Sun would be very slow moving components that would hardly create any reactions in the Earths atmosphere.

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    I doubt that any free protons come from the Sun.
    wrong, there comes plenty of free protons from the sun. youre so often wrong in your assumptions

    All the free electrons are stripped from heavy nuclei like iron, sulfur and oxygen and blasted out into space.
    yes

    Any of the heavy nuclei that are blasted out of the Sun would be very slow moving components that would hardly create any reactions in the Earths atmosphere.
    and wha degree do u have to claim that? the nuclues own posetive charge will create some effects
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    Zelos

    I just reviewed your 1st page reply to all those questions and I have to laugh at the solutions you gave.

    I do not consider your arguments to be valid.

    Nuff said.

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    I just reviewed your 1st page reply to all those questions and I have to laugh at the solutions you gave.

    I do not consider your arguments to be valid.

    Nuff said.
    wow, youre acctualy putting your own shit on me. Its your ideas, conclutions and such taht is laugheble
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zelos
    I just reviewed your 1st page reply to all those questions and I have to laugh at the solutions you gave.

    I do not consider your arguments to be valid.

    Nuff said.
    wow, youre acctualy putting your own shit on me. Its your ideas, conclutions and such taht is laugheble
    How is that?
    Do you consider yourself to be a refuse disposal?

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    no, do you consider it? well like it really matters. Its nice that you want to think on your own (its good) but when science say one thing its 99,99999999999999999999999999999999999% chance it is so and 0,00000000000000000000000000000001% that youre right
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    Its nice that you want to think on your own (its good) but when science say one thing its 99,99999999999999999999999999999999999% chance it is so and 0,00000000000000000000000000000001% that youre right

    If this crap is true, then it ought to be very easy for you to name 12 natural phenomina which science has discovered and correctly described at it's first attempt. In fact if you can name even 2 you'll be doing well. Almost all first theories are way off. Your 99.99r% is in fact probably somewhere between 1-50%.

    You really should put a bit more work into your posts, apart from being poorly written, almost always innacurate and often insulting towards others there's nothing to be said for them.
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    oh god. Of course theories can be wrong and have bene corrected. But that (im assumiong now mike aint that old) a kid/young adult is right and the entire scientific community is wrong is almost 0, about what i said before. And also the fact that he seems not to understand the theories deeply also describes that he knows nothing about it and therefor dont have enough knowledge to falsefy it. He is with other words a KNS person. If he were older and acctualy understood the theories and the math behind it and such it would be a different story and then he can be taken seruisly
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zelos
    oh god. Of course theories can be wrong and have bene corrected. But that (im assumiong now mike aint that old) a kid/young adult is right and the entire scientific community is wrong is almost 0, about what i said before. And also the fact that he seems not to understand the theories deeply also describes that he knows nothing about it and therefor dont have enough knowledge to falsefy it. He is with other words a KNS person. If he were older and acctualy understood the theories and the math behind it and such it would be a different story and then he can be taken seruisly
    For your information, I am 88 years old and have been studying astronomy, physics and cosmology for over 20 years.

    Every article I post has the reasons for why I refute any other science that I consider to be false or erroneous.

    As I said before, My articles are based on the Laws of Conservation of Matter/Energy/Charge/and Momentum. Also all experiments and reliable observations that I may interpret if I think there is an error in interpretation.

    The BBU is based on just ONE set of observations of the Doppler galactic recessional redshifts that imply that we are in the center of the universe.
    They (establishment) accepted this BUT knew that Doppler had to be replaced with another cause of these redsdhifts.

    So they replaced Doppler with the ballon analogy to eliminate the ONE central location. Purely SUBJECTIVE. This is the science for the BBU.
    It needed a replacement and so I restored the SSU with my versions that eliminate the previous problems.
    All based on REAL physics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zelos
    I visited that www site you posted and all I see is a lot of references.
    These can be had by the dozens for anyone that wants to do the searching.

    What I post is supported by the physics I cite as accepted science.

    I cannot waste my time with what that site posts since my science is credible as far as I am concerned.

    US BB science is censored, period.
    I cite Halton Arps censorship of his work by the establishment.

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    For your information, I am 88 years old and have been studying astronomy, physics and cosmology for over 20 years.
    youre 88 years old? then its true what people say. You grow up in the begining, you grow down as you get even older

    The BBU is based on just ONE set of observations of the Doppler galactic recessional redshifts that imply that we are in the center of the universe.
    we dont claim we are at the center, we say it seems like that thou to the expansion but we know very well thats not the case

    All based on REAL physics.
    and yet it goes against observations

    I cannot waste my time with what that site posts since my science is credible as far as I am concerned
    once again who cares what you concern? you concern/dont conern things when you shouldnt before so its likly this is the case again
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike NS
    For your information, I am 88 years old....
    If this is true Mike, I am impressed. Most people your age are too afraid to turn on a computer (I would think). And while I disagree with your science, I can see that you still have a sharp mind.

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    skip the sharp mind and i agree
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zelos
    you concern/dont conern things when you shouldnt before so its likly this is the case again
    I'm guessing here. (And I confess it is a guess) This concatenation of words is meant to have some particular meaning? Yes? I regret to inform you it doesn't.
    I often read sentences, indeed whole paragraphs, in which the semantic content is zero. In this instance you have achieved the enviable goal of a negative semantic content. Well done.

    And for the last *****ing time stop the personal snipes at Mike (and others), or I shall eat you up and disgorge your inedible remains through my rectum twenty four hours later.
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    Ophiolite, it has this meaning, mike ns say alot of times he doesnt consider something as something as science consider it and ive told him it doesnt matter what he thinks or consider things are like how they are and this case is no different
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    Quote Originally Posted by william
    Quote Originally Posted by Mike NS
    For your information, I am 88 years old....
    If this is true Mike, I am impressed. Most people your age are too afraid to turn on a computer (I would think). And while I disagree with your science, I can see that you still have a sharp mind.

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    The vast majority of land animals are Vegans from the elephants, down to the rabbits and even some insects. So this is a natural diet for the majority of the land creatures.
    I also believe in Evolution which is contrary to the biblical concept of 'creation out of nothing universe'.

    The idea of the chimpanzee being a carnivore is a myth.
    These animals are controlled by the humans that are trying to justify their consumption of meat as a necessity. This is false.
    There is a spirit world and there is some control of animals by humans.
    I know most people will disagree with this but that is my belief from my life experiences.

    My blood pressure is a perfect 110/70 and that indicates that my arteries are clean (no cholesterol contamination).
    I do not need any drugs and that includes OTC drugs as well.

    Only animal products contain cholesterol. That is the culprit that causes arteriolsclerosis (I hope I got that right).

    With this clean circulation, that is why my mind is clear and capable of evaluating data to my satisfaction.

    If you want to stay healthy throughout the years, I suggest you adopt the Vegan diet with an abundance of raw leafy greens like turnip greens, collards and kale sparingly because this last one has its own pesticide that keeps them free of insect damage. These greens are the best foods you can eat. Those containing oxalic acids can be eaten sparingly.
    Raw nuts and seeds for protein are also good.
    Cooked foods like beans and others traditionally cooked are also beneficial.

    The apes are the strongest (pound for pound) of any animals.
    They lift their body weights climbing trees.
    So if you want to 'muscle up', do weight lifting.

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    Yes. I attribute my good heath to my GOD sanctified diet of being a VEGAN (No animal products).
    they have nothing to do with it. youre just lucky to have the right genes

    The vast majority of land animals are Vegans from the elephants, down to the rabbits and even some insects. So this is a natural diet for the majority of the land creatures.
    and fishes, and birds. oh wait its also equaly common with meat eaters

    The idea of the chimpanzee being a carnivore is a myth.
    they eat meat when they have to just like cows

    Only animal products contain cholesterol. That is the culprit that causes arteriolsclerosis (I hope I got that right).
    did you know as vegan youre taking pills to get vitamins you cant get?

    If you want to stay healthy throughout the years, I suggest you adopt the Vegan diet with an abundance of raw leafy greens like turnip greens, collards and kale sparingly because this last one has its own pesticide that keeps them free of insect damage.
    my suggestion is alot better and i have proof in my own family in it. Live a good life, be posetive, do some exercise, dont eat unhealthy food, some can you allways eat since once in a while makes no different, and most important dont ever consider yourself old or want to get older. my dad is 65 years old and he is like 50 or even 45. my grandparents is of euql age (around 65) but they are like 85 years old., why? my dad lives a active life, everything but healthy but active as a young person and wants to stay young, my grandparents dont. they wish to be old so they are much older. You are never older than you feel

    The apes are the strongest (pound for pound) of any animals.
    LIE, ants are much stronger relative to their size
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    Where is all the missing mass to justify the uniform (flat space) expansion?
    it was stretched flat. it isnt flat when matter is present
    we have higher dimensions.

    What is the physical size of the BB?
    events dont have size. like if i throw a ball what size does that event has?
    he ment the size of the universe as the BB occured

    How can space suddenly terminate at the BB edges?
    no one ever said it did. its probebly bent like a 4-sphere so it doesnt have a end but yes a size
    no.

    What is the shape of the BB?
    still events dont have shape either
    he ment the shape of the universe at the time that the BB occured

    If the balloon analogy is legitimate, what is in the center of the balloon?
    when you tell me where the center of earth surface (not the earth sphere) but the surface then i give you a answer. the answer shall not be human decieded
    I never heard the term balloon analogy but i guess it means that the universe is built up in multiple layers. Cince life wasn't fit for higher dimensions, we cannot see the 'other side' of them.(eventhough Im not shure about this cince im not familiar with the term balloon analogy)

    How can the missing mass be 10x to 20x greater than the visible mass and still not be seen?
    doesnt it interact with EM then it cant be seen
    if meaning how big is the universe i would say about the visable(to us) size of the universe to the power of 3
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    mike, i concur with William and give you credit, much due......


    now, i have something i disagree with you on and thats what got you to 88. i had the good fortune to ask my great grandmother and her daughter the same question; both attributed to good booze and a good smoke, both
    ate meat and were brought up on eggs. one passed at 105 and her daughter at 103. this infers good genetics and i won't argue that point, but
    they & you, get up everyday with a preplanned thought in your mind or said another way you have something to look forward to. i hope you go well into your hundreds, but its not likely your diet.

    wonder what your opinion on "Global Warming" is. logic says you should say ...no. but your giving cause to think yes may be and to shorten this whole thing, i would disagree.
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    miomaz, how can you be so sure about all your statements? got proof?
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    affirmative.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jackson33
    mike, i concur with William and give you credit, much due......


    now, i have something i disagree with you on and thats what got you to 88. i had the good fortune to ask my great grandmother and her daughter the same question; both attributed to good booze and a good smoke, both
    ate meat and were brought up on eggs. one passed at 105 and her daughter at 103. this infers good genetics and i won't argue that point, but
    they & you, get up everyday with a preplanned thought in your mind or said another way you have something to look forward to. i hope you go well into your hundreds, but its not likely your diet.

    wonder what your opinion on "Global Warming" is. logic says you should say ...no. but your giving cause to think yes may be and to shorten this whole thing, i would disagree.
    Thanks for the support.

    I will agree that genetics do have a great effect on our aging process, but I had bad eating habits till I reached the age of 53 (in 1970) when I became a Vegan.
    Up until that time I had some minor problems like a bad back that is still there but NO PAIN like I had before.

    I am a strict law abiding citizen. That is why I promote our Constitutional Democracy (US) as our ULTIMATE LAW. We currently are not the true democracy that our Constitution mandates. It is a 'dollar' republic.

    I promote science that complies with all the laws, experiments and observations but interpreted correctly.
    That is why I say the BBU is not compliant with real evidence to be taken seriously.

    Regarding 'global warming, the proof is there with the dissappearing artic icecap as documented by our PBS TV station.
    Besides the pollutants produced by the industry, the destruction of forests is a big contributer.
    Our trees are NATURAL air purifiers. They not only refresh the air with oxygen but they also use the sunlight for growth. This COOLS the planet because all this energy is converted to growth rather than being reflected back into the air as the deserts do. So, one of my motto's is 'Save The Trees'.

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    as to the US and our form of government; what was originally intended by those that declared Independence, formed the original constitution and performed service in the early years, is not the same and they would not be very happy with the performance to their intent. there seems to be something in power, i don't understand and certainly not part of the founding fathers, criteria for participation.

    as to science; i prefer the word "logic", to your "interpretation" and your concern is more factual than mine. my concern is for what could be, rather to what is accepted and your concern is to what accepted. we are both however concerned with the narrowing acceptance. this is to say my interest is in creating thought, even above my word logic. some how my feeling is neither of us, win to many battles.

    Global warming; in school you were taught of over population and global cooling. of course the unsophisticated measurements from the past then and the temperatures outside in the 50's-60's-70's supported those that
    offered the opinions. the glaciers that are losing there form do out number those adding to, but its minimal and all the glaciers formed at some point in a period w/o man, even then probably no for the first time.
    yes forestry produces oxygen, but a good rain storm also cleans the air.there are articles that tell of a large US increase in forest, but then some areas of the world are being reduced.

    weight and calcium buildup on the spinal, are the two major factors in back problems, i'm told. its likely your changes involved correcting one of those two factors. Longevity is one of my top ten topics and i use the life spans of the first 10 US Presidents to start a conversation. generally the answers are between 50-60, but actually was 76.2 and if you include all the folks that lived out their lives in that period (not shot, accidental death and so on) 1776-1840, of prominence and recorded, you come up with
    a little over 80. i also have to add purpose in life, since the male over 65 is three time more likely to commit suicide than any other demographic.
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