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  1. #1 Is the universe alive !?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?? 
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    Hello, my question stems from the thought that the universe is actually a living thing, to understand this first we must look at what actually is life ? What defines life. Just like the universe life comes into existence and grows, and processes information, in this way you could think of the universe as a big quantum computer that drives information that eventually some of that information turns into everything we know including ourselves. The theory of parallel universes is widely accepted, this could be the offspring of another universe all stemming along a family tree, this could be done by a black whole were the laws of physics change. Also when you look at a picture of brain neurons you will see that it looks exactly the same as all the clusters of galaxy's and dark matter


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    I see "life" as a label we use to describe something that is somewhat like a chemical reaction albeit complex. Life absorbs other molecules outside its frame of reference and reorganizes it, in part for energy and in part to grow or replace its existing structure (by recreating a similar pattern).

    If the universe is alive, what is it that it absorbs in order to rearrange it along a similar pattern? Wouldnt it have to absorb something outside the universe and process it? Im not aware of other universes being absorbed and rearranged, theres the expansion which I dont fully understand, but I think theres no new matter its just the space that is expanding somehow.

    So, No, imo the universe is not alive, it allows for life to be possible, tiny parts of the universe have subatomic particles that have gone through a succession of environments (formed by their own presence to various degrees) that made it possible for complex structures and interactions to form, but I dont see the entire universe as being alive.


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    Life can reproduce. The Universe cannot. It isn't alive.
    In the information age ignorance is a choice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kerling View Post
    Life can reproduce. The Universe cannot. It isn't alive.
    We don't know that. For all we know reality splitting into variations of a Multiverse is reproduction. Or perhaps branes colliding and creating universe realities is reproduction. Calling it "reproduction" or "life", however, is not really constructive and a little dramatic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pyoko View Post
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    Life can reproduce. The Universe cannot. It isn't alive.
    We don't know that. For all we know reality splitting into variations of a Multiverse is reproduction. Or perhaps branes colliding and creating universe realities is reproduction. Calling it "reproduction" or "life", however, is not really constructive and a little dramatic.
    A multiverse is something different then multiple universes. Multiple universes implies, just like multiple wives, that one can interact with both. The concept of the Universes in a multiverse is that they cannot communicate (that is the whole idea).
    Hence it isn't reproduction.

    Asking if the universe is alive is about the same as saying any complex system is alive. We could call anything alive!
    It doesn't make the universe less fascinating though. But attributing a word like 'life' to the universe is just as scientific as calling your kid Bob, Michael or Jack.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kerling View Post
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    Life can reproduce. The Universe cannot. It isn't alive.
    We don't know that. For all we know reality splitting into variations of a Multiverse is reproduction. Or perhaps branes colliding and creating universe realities is reproduction. Calling it "reproduction" or "life", however, is not really constructive and a little dramatic.
    A multiverse is something different then multiple universes. Multiple universes implies, just like multiple wives, that one can interact with both. The concept of the Universes in a multiverse is that they cannot communicate (that is the whole idea).
    Hence it isn't reproduction.

    Asking if the universe is alive is about the same as saying any complex system is alive. We could call anything alive!
    It doesn't make the universe less fascinating though. But attributing a word like 'life' to the universe is just as scientific as calling your kid Bob, Michael or Jack.
    That was sort of my point. Asking/ calling it that isn't very productive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pyoko View Post
    That was sort of my point. Asking/ calling it that isn't very productive.
    ah, I didn't get that. sorry :P
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    Asking if the universe is alive is not wholly without precedent. Hylozooism is the idea that everything is alive. Panpsychism is the notion that everything is conscious.

    Laboratory experiments with dusty plasmas have come very close to creating inorganic life forms in the sense that they can self-organize, reproduce, evolve, communicate, and have some kind of life span. (Citations provided if requested.)

    When we look at the universe, we see it is 99% dusty plasma. From very little (nothing?) to start with, it seems to have diligently grown and systematically organized into stars, galaxies and planets, with a small fraction left over for impurities such as organic life.

    From a humble perspective of a tiny human, I find it hard to deny the immensity, the beauty, the complexity and degree of organization in the universe. I cannot write off the universe as random or chaotic. Everywhere we look, it seems to be on a mission of creation and expansion which we struggle to fully understand and explain.

    I think it very good to consider the lifelike properties or even consciousness of the universe.

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    Well, it reminds me of the Gaia Hypothesis - Gaia hypothesis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    That the planet and the life on it form one huge organism and hence the Earth is a life form. It's more an exercise in philosophy than science for me.
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    Well, then the planet in Avatar makes more sense. As the roots interconnect to make a huge network. That could be considered as a singel neural being.
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    Gaia takes into considerations things that aren't connected to one thing. Like the organelles in a cell - rhibosomes, endoplasmic reticulims etc.
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    I suppose you could say the universe is alive if you take the approach that the universe is absolutely everything in existence. All matter, life including conscious life is a sum of the universes parts. We might see ourselves as separate from the universe, a sort of unlikely visitor. But we can’t be separate if the universe is considered to be everything in existence. So in a way you could say the universe is conscious. But I wouldn’t get all trippy about it .
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    Yeah, that's philosophy; an important subject in itself, but not hard science.
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