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  1. #1 A revised Inflation hypothesis 
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    Hello! This is my first post - a little background - I have posted this on a forum I've been at for a few years, and someone suggested I get this hypothesis critiqued by more intellectual people!. So I did a quick search and found this place. Hope you're all up for it. Fire away. You can see the original post here
    http://forums.appleinsider.com/showthread.php?t=66502

    There are a few people there who would like to see *anything* i post, shot down in flames - so by all means be as thorough as possible and rip it to shreads. Here goes.
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    I have been thinking about a few cosmological problems in the standard theory, and came up with this. The 2 major problems I've considered are the entropy/time direction theory, and the problem that some recent measurements of the age of the universe measure it to 8 billion years old, while clearly some of the oldest stars are measuring 13+ billion years old Which is why we believe the universe to be 15.2 billion years old.



    Briefly, what this graphic shows - note it isn't to scale!

    in red, this is the current explantion of how the universe evolved after the big bang, using current inflationary theory, which is backed up with some pretty good experimental evidence giving us very good reason to believe that this model is largely correct. Note that in this model, time runs forwards from the big bang expansion point (singularity)

    in light blue, we have my modified alternative to the standard inflationary theory

    and in solid green/blue we have the projected age of the universe in 'absolute' time.

    What I propose, is that after the big bang, time runs backwards for a while! This is not too crazy IF (this is the predictive element of my hypothesis) the passage or direction of time and entropy IS EXPLICITLY related to the forces of gravity.

    Currently science knows that gravity ISN'T always an attractive force. In the early stages after the big bang, gravity was a repelling force for some time.

    I am suggesting the the 'polarity' of gravity dictates which direction time will appear to flow - and this has consequences for understanding entropy. When Gravity is a repellant, time will flow backwards and entropy will decrease, and when gravity is attractive, time will flow forwards and entropy will increase (as we know it from the universe as it is currently).

    After the big-bang, gravity was repellant, so the universe expanded in negative time under the influence of this repellant force. A by-product of this is that entropy decreases and 'flattens' the universe so that in all directions the universe looks the same , a possible solution to the 'horizon' problem - as confirmed by the COBE data and requiring the 'current rapid inflation theory' to explain. The universe continues to expand in negative time until the force of gravity flips to be an attractive force - But at this point we are still in negative time from the big-bang - so time has to flow forwards somewhat to re-reach the zero-time of the singularity - while this happens, as entropy is increasing, stars and galaxies begin to form simply from the jitteryness of the quantum fluctuations, so that by the time we have reached - in the current model - the period when rapid inflation ends, we have achieved the same size of universe. - But we have done this without rapid inflation. So a problem is solved in not having to discover a reason or force for this era of exponential expansion. It is all possible using known forces.

    By looking to Absolute time - the negative time and positive time added together to give a result only in the positive, we see that the measurements of the universe's age can infact be 8 billion years old - so as not to conflict the 'odd' measurements, but that stars and galaxies have in actually, had the 15.2 billion years to form as we currently measure them.

    *We have also solved the 'flatness' and 'horizon' problems without needing 'rapid inflation'
    *We see that we have a viable explanation of why we always see entropy increasing in the current universe
    *We reconsile the conflicting measurements of the age of the universe against the age of stars
    *We have resolved the need to discover a new force that explains how the universe 'inflated rapidly'
    *We can make a prediction and falsify the hypothesis, if we can discover if the direction of time flow is explicitly related the the 'polarity' of the force of gravity.

    Thanks for reading this, and for your comments!


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    Hello and welcome to the Forum, There are few occasions when we get a Nobel prize candidate writing on our forum, and this isn't one of them.
    I happen to specialise in Time Domain Radiospectrology in which it has been proven beyond doubt that time may have reversed at the instant of the Big bang but has not reversed again since. You know that Cerne has shown that sub-atomic particles created in an accelerator exist for a few nanoseconds during which their energy levels increase, THis is a clear indication that they exist in 'reverse time' before 'dissappearing. You have been told on numerous occasions that your hypothesis is incorrect at what point will you give it up?


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    Quote Originally Posted by billco
    Hello and welcome to the Forum, There are few occasions when we get a Nobel prize candidate writing on our forum, and this isn't one of them.
    I happen to specialise in Time Domain Radiospectrology in which it has been proven beyond doubt that time may have reversed at the instant of the Big bang but has not reversed again since. You know that Cerne has shown that sub-atomic particles created in an accelerator exist for a few nanoseconds during which their energy levels increase, THis is a clear indication that they exist in 'reverse time' before 'dissappearing. You have been told on numerous occasions that your hypothesis is incorrect at what point will you give it up?
    What is "Time Domain Radiospectrology"? Cant find anything like that online, is there a spelling mistake?
    As is often the case with technical subjects we are presented with an unfortunate choice: an explanation that is accurate but incomprehensible, or comprehensible but wrong.
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    From another Forum but the same author;

    Quote Originally Posted by marcuk
    I went to see my 'witchy' friend and her boyfiend, she believes in telepathy whilst her boyfriend was sceptical, so I made an attempt to tell him how telepathy is perfectly possible under the current understandings of quantum mechanics. Infact its quite trivial really. So I had a 2 hour drive home, and so, after I had spent some time contemplating the transmission of information forwards and backwards in time - I saw Apollo rising on the horizon, and he revealed a secret of the universe to me
    Verdict: Dismissed as a crank.

    Time Domain Radiospectrology: The study of the electromagnetic spectrum as seen from the dimension of time (more commonly known as 'Reality').
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    I guess youre joking! - so what makes me a crank?

    that I've got a friend who grows a few herbs for medicinal purposes - that I think that telepathy doesn't violate any known laws of Quantum Science, or that I've studied Greek philosophy and mythology and make a tongue-in-cheek remark about the inspiration for my hypothesis was seeing the sun-rise on a beuatiful morning?
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    Telepathy is impossible.
    Cerebral information cant be transmitted by a carriar particles and then be decoded by another cerebrum center in another individual to cerebral information again
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zelos
    Telepathy is impossible.
    Cerebral information cant be transmitted by a carriar particles and then be decoded by another cerebrum center in another individual to cerebral information again
    I agree Zelos.

    If we were able to transmit energy of some sort externally, it would require a great deal of power, and would take up a large portion of our brain...I'm pretty sure that would show up on an MRI. Where are our antenaes? I know some sharks have the ablity to detect the small electrical impulses from the muscles of their prey, but no data is being transfered.


    If it were true...would you need a "firewall" to protect your thoughts from unwanted detection? :P

    Quote Originally Posted by marcUK
    ..... I've got a friend who grows a few herbs for medicinal purposes.....
    Yeah...I got one of those friends too. After a few bong hits, you can believe anything.
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    Organism wont evolve it since there is no evolutionary profit in it
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    well, we were discussing this recent news trivia

    http://news.com.com/Telephone+telepa...3-6112274.html

    which if true, is quite interesting from a quantum mechanical POV, and makes good light conversation.

    certainly having thoughts does create brainwaves that can be picked up, and as the brain is just an electrically powered computer (which we dont fully understand), will emit a transmission of these thoughts by default of it operating electrically, without having need to evolve a special transmission device.

    As to the extent of whether this transmission can be picked up or decoded by another human - I would be sceptical about that. But if anything I believe that this is something we would be losing to evolution, not something we would be gaining.

    Modern life, is definately putting an evolutionary pressure on us not to need this ability. Whereas we have all but lost the ability to be at one with nature - something the animal kingdom still has, and has had for billions of years - and something our ancestors probably had for much of our humans existance for a few million years right up until recently.

    The ability for humans to be in touch with nature, is something we have lost to evolution very recently - or is a skill that we have unlearned very recently too. But we have had it, and so have the ancestors we descended from for billions of years.

    Did we have the ability to recognise the author of certain brainwaves.?

    Perhaps! We certainly spend alot of time in close proximity to certain people. Maybe subconsciously we are receiving their patterns of brainwaves and storing the signature of them, which we later receive message from when something happens to them, or there is an event which makes them think of us.

    Im not suggesting that we can read people's thoughts, merely that we may have the ability to store and recognise subconsciously certain patterns of brainwaves we have spent a long time experiencing. And in some people, they mave have trained themselves to refine this ability, so that they can appear to be somewhat telepathic - much like artists have a trained eye or musicians have trained ears.

    And none of that violates the basic rules of physics.

    Also I see that I have been naive to say my friend grows a few herbs for medicinal purposes - were talking things like lavender, sage, rosemary here.

    There is another thing I'd like to point out. Ive spent alot of time having heated discussions with Fundamentalist Christians about their narrow, shallow rigid unimaginative points of view. Yet here I am experiencing exactly the same thing with people who are/wish to be scientists, which is somewhat odd and disappointing.

    I've always followed science for an expansion of the mind, not to become a narrow minded 'if I havnt read it in a text book written by a guy with 30 titles after his name' it cant be possible type. Because if Science was all about reading stuff and remembering it like a parrot and disregarding anything that contradicts with the established dogma, Science would not have progressed any further than the Intelligent Design movement. I very much doubt Science would have produced people like Newton, Darwin, Einstein, Feynmann, if all they did was read the texts of their forerunners and rigidly spouted it off like demented parrots.

    I think you lot need to remember that Quantum Mechanics lead us to wormholes, multiverses, string theory, brane theory, 10 dimensional calabi-yau spaces, superpositions of dead and alive cats, and cans of beer that disappear when no conscience is looking at them.

    Perhaps you need to remember what Science is all about, and stop being a bunch of Fundamentalists.
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    47years as a radio communications & electronics Physicist, the onle thing I can say is...

    OK OK Don't call us, we won't call you.


    NEXT!


    GO on Zelos, my son, assimilate him but do not corrupt yourself with his ideas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by billco
    47years as a radio communications & electronics Physicist, the onle thing I can say is...

    OK OK Don't call us, we won't call you.


    NEXT!


    GO on Zelos, my son, assimilate him but do not corrupt yourself with his ideas.
    well Grandad, you're probably right, lets hope they find a cure for degenerative althzeimers soon, before you completely forget what it feels like to be human and be excited by the unknown mysteries of the Universe.

    Nah, its probably too late, i'd guess you've been a brain dead Fundie for the last 46 years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marcUK
    Quote Originally Posted by billco
    47years as a radio communications & electronics Physicist, the onle thing I can say is...

    OK OK Don't call us, we won't call you.


    NEXT!


    GO on Zelos, my son, assimilate him but do not corrupt yourself with his ideas.
    well Grandad, you're probably right, lets hope they find a cure for degenerative althzeimers soon, before you completely forget what it feels like to be human and be excited by the unknown mysteries of the Universe.

    Nah, its probably too late, i'd guess you've been a brain dead Fundie for the last 46 years.
    I suggest if you want to type properly you keep both hands on the keyboard.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by marcUK
    There is another thing I'd like to point out. Ive spent alot of time having heated discussions with Fundamentalist Christians about their narrow, shallow rigid unimaginative points of view. Yet here I am experiencing exactly the same thing with people who are/wish to be scientists, which is somewhat odd and disappointing.
    Agreed.
    Quote Originally Posted by marcUK
    Because if Science was all about reading stuff and remembering it like a parrot and disregarding anything that contradicts with the established dogma, Science would not have progressed any further than the Intelligent Design movement. I very much doubt Science would have produced people like Newton, Darwin, Einstein, Feynmann, if all they did was read the texts of their forerunners and rigidly spouted it off like demented parrots.
    However, the unique ability to perceive the remarkable in the mundane is given to very few. Like it or not, the bulk of us must function as parrots. Do you have some evidence that you have the unique abilities of an Einstein or a Feynman?
    Quote Originally Posted by marcUK
    I think you lot need to remember that Quantum Mechanics lead us to wormholes, multiverses, string theory, brane theory, 10 dimensional calabi-yau spaces, superpositions of dead and alive cats, and cans of beer that disappear when no conscience is looking at them.
    Wormholes - unproven, undetected conjecture.
    Multiverses - unproven, unsubstantiated, speculation
    String theory - unproven, unprovable, non-evidentiary, masturbation for mathematicians
    Brane theory - as above, for the ham fisted.
    Weird topography - as above, for the elegant ones
    Schroedinger's Cats - my cat can collapse a waveform. Can't yours?
    Quote Originally Posted by marcUK
    Perhaps you need to remember what Science is all about, and stop being a bunch of Fundamentalists.
    Agreed. This would also be good advice for you to heed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ophiolite
    Wormholes - unproven, undetected conjecture.
    Multiverses - unproven, unsubstantiated, speculation
    String theory - unproven, unprovable, non-evidentiary, masturbation for mathematicians
    Brane theory - as above, for the ham fisted.
    Weird topography - as above, for the elegant ones
    Schroedinger's Cats - my cat can collapse a waveform. Can't yours?
    Exactly, none of these things are proven, and they are pretty far-out - yet they are accepted ideas and consequences of established Physical theories and we could have a debate about them without being labelled as a crank.

    Yet if I suggest that the brain is an electronic computational device that emits EMR, that some people might have been able to train themselves to pick up these emmisions on a very basic of levels, then im an idiot? Considering that we could have a sensible discussion about the existance of multiple universes appearing in quantum bubbles at the boundaries of our universe, the emmision of EMR from the brain within the framework of all known physical principles is rather trivial.
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    The thing is Marc I view all string theorists as a bunch of irresponsible cranks who have wasted a large amount of time, effort and opportunity by pursuing such nonsense, whilst devaluing the meaning of the word theory to an unacceptable degree.

    Then again, that's just me. 8)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ophiolite
    However, the unique ability to perceive the remarkable in the mundane is given to very few. Like it or not, the bulk of us must function as parrots. Do you have some evidence that you have the unique abilities of an Einstein or a Feynman?
    No I don't have evidence and I doubt that Einstein or Feynman had the evidence either while they were unknowns. But they saw something that no-one else had ever seen, and had no idea if their ideas were sound or completely wrong. All you can really do is show your idea and if it holds up then suddenly you're a genius, or if it sinks, you're a crazy fool.

    I've seen that you can possibly produce the universe in a slightly different way than we think at the moment, and it has some benefits in reducing the amount of unknown forces required to explain some things we have kind of fudged in the current theory. My hypothesis explains why there are contradicting measurements for the age of the universe compared to the age of stars, explains how this could happen, solves the problem of needing a new force to produce rapid inflation, by defining the effects of it in terms of already known forces, shows how horizon problem is solved without rapid inflation, fully unites gravity to time and entropy (something we know there is a relationship between already) and even explains why we apparently see the universe unfolding in the current rapid inflation model.

    I dont know if Im right or wrong, and am not in a position to ever be able to test this. So I give it to others to look at so that we might all benefit. - But i'll tell you this - Grandad has never come close to formulating something like this - and wouldn't be capable even if he lived to 300.

    Regardless of right or wrong - the Feynman state of mind exists in all of us who dare to be able to think beyond what anyone else has ever thought. Once in a while for every million wrong thoughts, there will be a right one.

    I dont mind being a crazy fool, because there has to be a million fools for every stroke of genius, and if i'm suddenly fool #999,999 then maybe i'll have contributed somehow, along with all the others who had ideas that were wrong, to the next fool suddenly being the genius - and then the rest of us fools will have the ability to learn a secret of the universe no-one else has ever discovered.

    And that is really all it is about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ophiolite
    The thing is Marc I view all string theorists as a bunch of irresponsible cranks who have wasted a large amount of time, effort and opportunity by pursuing such nonsense, whilst devaluing the meaning of the word theory to an unacceptable degree.

    Then again, that's just me. 8)
    then that is a sad place to be. Every one who has worked on string theory, or Loop Quantum Gravity, or whatever, regardless of how hopeful or not the endevour leads shares the same desire to unlock the secrets so that everyone can share the secret of the mystery.
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    marcuk. ive read what you have said and youre right on that the brain creates electric/magnetic fields but to be able to understand that information you need to have osmkidna area capable to recive this information. we humans dont have this ability to sense electric fields. Other animals do but we dont.

    So telepathy is BULLSHIT. there is acctualy in USA a orginisation that is ready to give a million bucks to who ever can come there and prove they have psykic abilities. wonder why no one have succeded yet. SINCE ITS BULLSHIT

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    But i'll tell you this - Grandad has never come close to formulating something like this - and wouldn't be capable even if he lived to 300.
    I presume you are referring to me, and if true I have to say I totally agree with the quote above. I am incapable of formulating theories of the type you are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marcUK
    ...so by all means be as thorough as possible and rip it to shreads...
    Be careful what you ask for..you might just get it.

    You have expressed disapointment in the members here for their lack of open-mindedness...or are you disappointed that your theory was not greeted with open arms and cries of "Brilliant!" I've been posting on this board for about a month, and I've found the members to be very open minded. They call me on my bullshit when I'm too lazy to look up the facts, and they agree with me when I actually have something worthwhile to add.
    Don't take it so personally.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marcuk
    someone suggested I get this hypothesis critiqued by more intellectual people!. So I did a quick search and found this place.
    So you write a theory, admit you are not smart, go off and find smart people (us) - we tell you it's C.R.A.P. - then you start with the insults.

    So now go back to the others and tell them the Smart said it was C.R.A.P as well.

    C.R.A.P because you are suggesting some fundamental laws 'flipped' or modified themselves after the big bang. Even that Idiot Hawking would not dare to suggest that!


    C.R.A.P = Clearly Really Awful Postage
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    if you dont do your homework you wont get good grades.
    A theory that posses any chance of bieng true that dont go against all experiments and observations is allways fun to hear. Idiotic ideas that is a futile atempt to do something great is just awefull
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    And to cap it all, now you have woken Zelos UP, do you have ANY idea how difficult it is to get him back to sleep?
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    We are the borg
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    Do please stay around, I know it's tough but it's just a tradition NOBODY gets their first paper accepted. Just think man, if they DID then Science Forum would simply lose it's reputation. I had to put my Hammer and Feather paper second - (it showed in ideal conditions the hammer would hit the deck first). ONly then was it accepted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MacGyver1968
    Quote Originally Posted by marcUK
    ...so by all means be as thorough as possible and rip it to shreads...
    Be careful what you ask for..you might just get it.

    You have expressed disapointment in the members here for their lack of open-mindedness...or are you disappointed that your theory was not greeted with open arms and cries of "Brilliant!" I've been posting on this board for about a month, and I've found the members to be very open minded. They call me on my bullshit when I'm too lazy to look up the facts, and they agree with me when I actually have something worthwhile to add.
    Don't take it so personally.
    What has irked me is not whether the theory is good or crap - im quite happy to hear my theory was crap if we discuss the theory, but I was dismissed as a crank because of the friends I keep, my love of Greek Mythology or because I accept a few idea most people aren't comfortable with. All of which have nothing to do with why I posted here or the reason for it.

    Anyway I don't take that personally - it says more on the person writing a stupid comment, than the stupidity of my theory. And billco's comment about keeping both hands on the keybord, did indeed make me laugh - thats my sense of humour!
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    Well I don't like the 'W' word - it's so common, sounds like we have a similar sense of humour - Welcome to the forum, Have a nice-stay!
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    Quote Originally Posted by billco

    So you write a theory, admit you are not smart, go off and find smart people (us) - we tell you it's C.R.A.P. - then you start with the insults.

    So now go back to the others and tell them the Smart said it was C.R.A.P as well.

    C.R.A.P because you are suggesting some fundamental laws 'flipped' or modified themselves after the big bang. Even that Idiot Hawking would not dare to suggest that!

    C.R.A.P = Clearly Really Awful Postage
    i very much doubt that you are as smart as you're making out.

    For a start, we already know that Gravity was a repellant force after the big bang - So im not suggesting that or making that up - Infact should you be bothered, you could read up on this in Brian Greene's Fabric of the Cosmos.

    Infact, virtually everything I've said can be found within the works of the great theoretical scienctists of the last 10 years - except the one thing I was looking for a comment on - Can the flow of time be explicity related to the polatiy of gravity?. We know through general relativity that time, gravity, c, and suchwhat are all related - Im suggesting that they are more related than we currently believe. Infact im saying that time is just a byproduct of Gravity - Explicitly related. Because if it is possible (NOT is it a fact, or is it a currently accepted notion)- then I might have discovered a way that a few problems within the standard model can be explained within the framework of what we know - without resorting to fudges and voodoo.

    Absolutely nothing to do with Greek mythology or weed - yet you made that an issue.

    And whats with all the people i've met here putting the downer on QM, and the scientists within the field? I didn't expect to find, then I found a forum called ' the science forum' so many people hostile to some of the greatest thinkers and theories of the modern era.
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    Quote Originally Posted by billco
    Well I don't like the 'W' word - it's so common, sounds like we have a similar sense of humour - Welcome to the forum, Have a nice-stay!
    I'll stay for a bit, see how it goes. I see you have a nice graphic of Orion in your avatar. Any reason for that? Because you're missing the most important star.
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    Orion.

    I had hoped to use a photo taken from my own scope but too much light pollution as it was low in the sky at the time. I then used one from a book.

    If you are referring to Phi & Lambda Orionis they were lost in reduction from the original 400x600 down to 100x80 or so.
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    For a start, we already know that Gravity was a repellant force after the big bang - So im not suggesting that or making that up - Infact should you be bothered, you could read up on this in Brian Greene's Fabric of the Cosmos.
    it has never been repelling. I guess your talking about inflation but the current canditate to explain it has nothing to do with gravity. The forces strenght increase/decrease as you approch GUT energy but dont change direction.
    The theory that has the greatest potensial to epxplain the inflation theory is acctualy higgs mechanism. Studies on the theory have shown that as you approch bigbang it becomes a repulsive force. while in normal space it isnt
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