# Thread: Fourth Dimension

1. AN INTERPRETATION OF THE FOURTH DIMENSION
SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT
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Let us start out with single units of measurement such as 1^1 that is a straight line of one unit length, 1^2 that is an area of one square unit and 1^3 that is a volume of one cube. When we come to 1^4, then we cannot comprehend what type of space that would pertain to.
Time is presently looked upon as the fourth dimension but it is a measure of motion, not space.
Now if we think in measurements of two units, such as 2^1, 2^2, 2^3 and 2^4, then it provides us with a little more insight into the meaning of the fourth dimension. 2^1 is a line of two units in length. 2^2 is a square of four units, 2^3 is a cube of eight units. When we come to 2^4, that gives us 16 units of what? If we adhere to cubic units (space), we can have some symmetry of our building pattern by dividing the 16 cubic unit cube into two eight unit cubes to keep the pattern going. What does this signify? What we are doing here then, is dividing which is analogous to the biological world of cell division. We have moved into the living or biological realm. Any additional dimensions such as 2^5 and etc, would then simply signify further division and multiplication representing cell growth.
2^4 can also be interpreted in a slightly different manner. The additional 8 unit cube can be divided into 8 individual units and placed at the corners of the first 8 unit cube. This would be symmetrical and balanced. What does this signify? It’s significance is analogous to a plant or plant growth. The top cubes representing branches and the bottom cubes representing the roots. 2^5 and etc, would again represent additional growth or an extension of the branches and roots by placing them as additional cubes at each corner at the ends of the other 8 unit cube. Here again, we have symmetry and 2^4 then represents the biological realm of plants by symbolizing plant life and growth.
If we move into 3 unit dimensions such as 3^1, 3^2 , 3^3 and 3^4, we lose our symmetrical or balanced pattern. 3^1 is a 3 unit line, 3^2 is a 9 unit square and 3^3 is a 27 unit cube. 3^4 could then represent 3, 27 unit cubes. Do cells divide into 3 units?

And, the plant form? If we divide the other cubes into individual units and put them at the corners of the first 27 unit cube, which has only 8 corners, we have lost our symmetry by having some extra units left over creating an imbalance.
The two unit symmetry mentioned previously seems to be present in other aspects of nature as well. Examples are:
In matter, the electron and proton are the only basic particles of matter that are stable and can exist in isolation. However, in isolation, they would rapidly disperse and constitute nothing of value.
Electro-magnetic force is also dual in character. It has the electric and magnetic components and it is the only force we have a thorough understanding of.
Mathematics has its duality with positive and negative numbers and although the negative numbers are incomprehensible, they do play a small roll in some formulas of mathematics.
Life as we know it also has its duality being composed of animal and plant forms and they both complement each other.
We have the physical and spiritual worlds that is another example of duality. The spiritual world could be analogous to the negative numbers because of their difficulty for comprehension.
Then there is the reproduction of life. This also is a two unit world, since it requires a male and a female to carry on the process. Either one alone can not carry on this function although the females can reproduce themselves in very rare situations.
There are probably several other examples that may exist.

2.

3. You failed to mention the duality of my arse.
It is roughly symmetric with respect to the great divide, and contains a white hole which works in the opposite way as a black hole.

Gorby (Mike),
I enjoy reading your posts. This one is the strangest you've put out.

Where on earth do you come up with this stuff?

Cheers,
wm

4. Originally Posted by william
You failed to mention the duality of my arse.
It is roughly symmetric with respect to the great divide, and contains a white hole which works in the opposite way as a black hole.

Gorby (Mike),
I enjoy reading your posts. This one is the strangest you've put out.

Where on earth do you come up with this stuff?

Cheers,
wm
how graphic of you.

5. William

Your arse talks too when it farts.

Do you think or are you a programmed computer head that does not.

NS

6. Originally Posted by Mike NS
AN INTERPRETATION OF THE FOURTH DIMENSION
SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT
.
Let us start out with single units of measurement such as 1^1 that is a straight line of one unit length, 1^2 that is an area of one square unit and 1^3 that is a volume of one cube. When we come to 1^4, then we cannot comprehend what type of space that would pertain to.
Time is presently looked upon as the fourth dimension but it is a measure of motion, not space.
Now if we think in measurements of two units, such as 2^1, 2^2, 2^3 and 2^4, then it provides us with a little more insight into the meaning of the fourth dimension. 2^1 is a line of two units in length. 2^2 is a square of four units, 2^3 is a cube of eight units. When we come to 2^4, that gives us 16 units of what? If we adhere to cubic units (space), we can have some symmetry of our building pattern by dividing the 16 cubic unit cube into two eight unit cubes to keep the pattern going. What does this signify? What we are doing here then, is dividing which is analogous to the biological world of cell division. We have moved into the living or biological realm. Any additional dimensions such as 2^5 and etc, would then simply signify further division and multiplication representing cell growth.
2^4 can also be interpreted in a slightly different manner. The additional 8 unit cube can be divided into 8 individual units and placed at the corners of the first 8 unit cube. This would be symmetrical and balanced. What does this signify? It’s significance is analogous to a plant or plant growth. The top cubes representing branches and the bottom cubes representing the roots. 2^5 and etc, would again represent additional growth or an extension of the branches and roots by placing them as additional cubes at each corner at the ends of the other 8 unit cube. Here again, we have symmetry and 2^4 then represents the biological realm of plants by symbolizing plant life and growth.
If we move into 3 unit dimensions such as 3^1, 3^2 , 3^3 and 3^4, we lose our symmetrical or balanced pattern. 3^1 is a 3 unit line, 3^2 is a 9 unit square and 3^3 is a 27 unit cube. 3^4 could then represent 3, 27 unit cubes. Do cells divide into 3 units?
more visualisation hey.
you do know your talking about a mathematical idea?
apparently you don't need these so your theory contains no dimensions remember?

7. Well,

In my [almost] 70 years of walking around on this little mudball I have to say this thread is the biggest pile of bollocks I have come across since I took a wrong turning and ended up in the sorting yard of a slaughter-house. You cannot say that the 'fourth' dimension is time. If you define the first 3 as LWD. The three dimensions of LWD/XYZ or whateveryou call them are interchangeable - they are a 'class' of dimension this 'class' having just 3 elements. - We used to think of numbers as uni-dimensional we now have xyz numbers which fit the dimension class LWD. I believe time also is multi-dimensional. I do NOT believe we live in a '4-d' world but we live in a '2-d' world where each of these dimensions is a 'class' of dimension.

And finally, 'halving' an object does NOT reduce it's number of dimensions by one as you seem to suggest.

Go to the back of the [dimension] class! :wink:

8. Billco

You will notice that my space dimensions do not change form(?)

I stay with space all the way through.

The remarkable thing here is that the 4th dimension represents a transformation into a living world.
A remarkable transformation from a physical to a living world.

That is why I say this is 'something to think about'.

Another reason I posted this idea is that I cannot visualize time as a spatial dimension, since I consider that 'time' is 'motion'.

NS

9. I understood nothing of the original post.

10. Originally Posted by starry_eyed_guy
I understood nothing of the original post.
Do you understand English?
I wrote what I think plainly enough.

NS

11. Do you understand English?
I wrote what I think plainly enough.
Even the greatest linguistic english man can't understand jibberish

A computer can understand math perfectly. Give it a number that doesn't make sense and it won't understand

12. Zelos

Again, you are nothing but an insulting poison tongue.

Computers do not think so this article does not apply to your computer head.

The only way time can represent space is when its motion is fixed at a constant rate. What rate does Einstein use for his time dimension?

NS

13. Originally Posted by Mike NS
Zelos

Again, you are nothing but an insulting poison tongue.

Computers do not think so this article does not apply to your computer head.

The only way time can represent space is when its motion is fixed at a constant rate. What rate does Einstein use for his time dimension?

NS
do you know what a complex number is?

14. Again, you are nothing but an insulting poison tongue.
well, you haven´t given a reason to not call you a morron

15. Everbody has an equal right to be heard, no man is superior to another.
Why all the dis-harmony? If you disagree strongly then call the work crap, there is no need to insult the writer though, it may be their genuine belief. If you call a person a moron or whatever it simply shows you are not intelligent enough to persuade them with logic and rational.

Now 3 hail mary's each, and no more of the negative waves.

16. Everbody has an equal right to be heard, no man is superior to another.
can one sex be superior then one man can aswell. and one race. one species. one cell.

If you call a person a moron or whatever it simply shows you are not intelligent enough to persuade them with logic and rational.
yeah this is mostly right. if you say it as first sentence. We have disproven his stuff and proven the normal stuff so many times and yet he ignores it. If he hadn´t he wouldn´t have to be called morron. since he wouldn´t be it then.

Now 3 hail mary's each, and no more of the negative waves.
only thing i hail, is myself
Negative waves is a part of human nature. Human causes pain, suffering, missery and dispair to each other. We are so evolved, yet so primetive. The only reason to solve this, is by a hive mind. getting rid of individuality.

17. Originally Posted by Zelos
only thing i hail, is myself

Negative waves is a part of human nature.

Human causes pain, suffering, missery and dispair to each other.

We are so evolved,
yet so primetive. The only reason to solve this, is by a hive mind. getting rid of individuality.
I don't mind you calling yourself primitive, indeed I would agree with you you, but when it comes to me you are wrong.

18. but when it comes to me you are wrong.
that can only be true if you are perfect. Wich isn´t possible by anything except by a lie. The real reason its not possible is since there can only be one perfect in the world, and thats already occupied by me

19. Originally Posted by Zelos
but when it comes to me you are wrong.
that can only be true if you are perfect. Wich isn´t possible by anything except by a lie. The real reason its not possible is since there can only be one perfect in the world, and thats already occupied by me
Sounds just a little too subjective to me... :wink:

20. I am less effected by my emotions generally. And my desire for sex is also under strict controll. I´ve allways tried to controll them and it mostly works. Only when i want they go out. Exceptions happens.
Therefor i am perfect
I am, therefor i am perfection.
oh yeah mike. You asked if i remember right what x^4 would have for unit. I think hypervolume is the most accurate you can say. Since all forms in 4D is called with hyper and their 3 dimension equality

21. Zelos

Quit inflating youself like a hot air baloon. A hot air baloon has to come down eventually when it runs out of gas or kerosine.
Ha ha.

NS

22. that comment matches your IQ. when i call myself perfect i allways do to indicate its a JOKE. maybe in your culture/cerebrum its a unfamiliar term it means you tell someone something that is supposed to make them laugh. You know what a laugh is?
good boy, here is a buck, go and buy yourself a brain

23. Zelos

You exist in an imaginary world.
This could be a symptom of having an inferiority complex. Ha ha.

NS

24. imaginary world?
youre once again projecting yourstuff on me. its so predicteble by people in your position.
I am in contact with reality and adapt to it. I try to understand the world as it is and not as i want it to be. unlike you

science is not about liking, its about knowing

25. Zelos

I am not like you that just 'parrots' what the establishment teaches.

I am a FREE THINKER and evaluate reality for myself.
That is why I DO NOT believe the bible or the BBU that both promote 'creation out of nothing'.

NS

26. I believe the topic of this thread is the Fourth Dimension.

If you want to discuss the thread topic, go ahead.

If you wish to bicker amongst yourselves and hurl insults, I shall close the thread down. The choice is yours.

27. LOL, i was hanging out with one of my best friends and she was doing her calculus homework and i was working on GR, and i randomly looked up and said "Hey, I need your help. Can you point in the direction of time for me really quick?"

28. Originally Posted by Vroomfondel
"Hey, I need your help. Can you point in the direction of time for me really quick?"
Well, if she'd pointed really slow then it would have been in a different direction. :wink:

29. this isnt entirely off topic. But does anyone know somesite or maybe by itself to calculate the distance you would travel in 3D by traveling in 4D, where the 4th dimension would exist parallel to the regular 3 but is accecelble but by not normal means? just a funny idea i just got and id like to know if it possible to calculate

30. Zelos

That is easy to explain with photons from the SUN.
They travel in 3D for about 91 million miles to enter a plant leaf and be transformed from 3D into 4D living space.
Ha ha.

NS

31. It is easy to imagine life in another dimension, if you close one eye - then you see a 3-d world represented in 2-d. So why can't you imagine a 4-d figure.

If I take a straight line it has a single dimension, - length so all single dimensional figures must be the same shape? it would seem so,

BUT suppose I now bend that into a banana shape? how many dimensions does it occupy now? then suppose I cork screw it? is it a single dimensional object existing in a 3d world? or is it 3-d? - now suppose I put a sphere on each end - how many dimensions now?

Before you all go on about what 4-d might look like, work up from 1-d
and at least agree a common base.

32. They travel in 3D for about 91 million miles to enter a plant leaf and be transformed from 3D into 4D living space.

33. billco

You have an overactive imagination.

Zelos

Ha ha.

NS

34. Originally Posted by Mike NS
billco

You have an overactive imagination.

Zelos

Ha ha.

NS

Something else I have in common with Newton, Gallileo, Hertz, Maxwell, Planck, Einstein, Hawking,Pythagorus,Plato, and just about every other distinguished scientist.

35. its not about imagination. rather having somekinda psykological abnormality that makes you able see outside the box. and if you dont mike you wont make a significan effort to humanity.

36. billco

Whats your view on the BBU?

NS

37. zelos

Whar box? A womans womb or the BB box?

NS

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