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    Chaos, or wilful scattering of mass and matter throughout Space without reference to any laws of physics.? Did we develope Astronomical Physics after observing the Deployment and disposition of matter within observable distance? Fitting Physics to suit what was already there.? As a means of trying to understand what had happened and what was happening? Everything I observe in the Earths invironment has an understandable reason for being there and then developing according to conditions that can be explained. So there is some easily understood Logic there. Not so with what is happening outside our Galaxys. Receding Galaxys leaving each other in all directions in a seemingly unstopable invironment. The Point of this Thread? Why didn't we achieve a simple, stable, Cosmos System, and why did it have to be so big? westwind.


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    Because it is. You're bemoaning the fact that the universe does not conform to your stunted senses and limited understanding.

    Its the way nature is!
    If you dont like it, go somewhere else....
    To another universe, where the rules are simpler
    Philosophically more pleasing, more psychologically easy
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    Dear AlexG. What kind of an answer is that? And have you got a link to my stunted senses and limited understanding? Or are you just stalling for time, while you try and figure out what the Thread is all about? westwind.
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    The thread's about nothing. Your senses are limited to a very small segment of the electromagnetic spectrum, and your understanding is developed in a low-energy, low-velocity universe, seemingly Euclidean universe. And you are moaning because the universe is a lot bigger than you are.

    Why didn't we achieve a simple, stable, Cosmos System, and why did it have to be so big?
    In a smaller, simpler Cosmos, we would never have evolved.
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    Quote Originally Posted by westwind View Post
    Chaos, or wilful scattering of mass and matter throughout Space without reference to any laws of physics.? Did we develope Astronomical Physics after observing the Deployment and disposition of matter within observable distance? Fitting Physics to suit what was already there.?
    All physics (and other science) has been developed by observing what is there and making theories to fit.

    Everything I observe in the Earths invironment has an understandable reason for being there and then developing according to conditions that can be explained. So there is some easily understood Logic there.
    I think you say that with the benefit of the science that has been developed over centuries (standing on the shoulders of giants). For example, it was "obvious" to the ancient Greeks that an arrow in flight needed some sort of continuous force applied to it. It was nearly 2000 years before Newton came along and corrected that. Similarly, it was equally "logical" that a more massive object would fall faster than a lighter one. Then along came Galileo and proved it wrong (and good old Newton again provdied the math to explain it).

    Not so with what is happening outside our Galaxys. Receding Galaxys leaving each other in all directions in a seemingly unstopable invironment. The Point of this Thread? Why didn't we achieve a simple, stable, Cosmos System, and why did it have to be so big?
    At one level, the universe is pretty simple: at large scales it is almost perfectly homogeneous and isotropic, and expanding at a (roughly) steady rate. What more could you want?
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    The Point of this Thread? Why didn't we achieve a simple, stable, Cosmos System, and why did it have to be so big?
    What AlexG so ineloquently tries to explain, is that we would expect to have some kind of an intuitive understanding of the things we evolved being able to perceive. Our earth is so integrated, because it is limited in size an all life is related. The kind of physics we can experience in our low velocity, low energy milieu is of course not the whole picture. Other, less readily understandable physics also affects us and to other extents the further you zoom out from our little world. The universe is as big and complicated (though life is probably even more so), because that is the result of the laws of the universe.
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    What AlexG so ineloquently tries to explain...
    I was being succint and pithy. Or trying to.
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