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Thread: String Theory is starting to sound fishy.

  1. #1 String Theory is starting to sound fishy. 
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    11 Dimensions? I don't know if we could call taking already known concepts and repeating them over eachother diffrent dimensions. I how did they know to add another point in terms of 3 Dimensions to connect to 4 Dimensions. Why couldn't it be something else. Something so totally different.

    Ok, that sounded weird.

    Point to straight lines to curvy 3 dimensional folds to 3 dimensional folds with lines? And the way they keep stomping on Einsteins grave *with* "Well, Einstein wasn't always right". And they all say that even though no one said "but- einstein said".


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    ? whats the point with this topic?


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    what's the point of your question? or mine?
    Growing up, i marveled at star-trek's science, and ignored the perfect society. Now, i try to ignore their science, and marvel at the society.

    Imagine, being able to create matter out of thin air, and not coming up with using drones for boarding hostile ships. Or using drones to defend your own ship. Heck, using drones to block energy attacks, counterattack or for surveillance. Unless, of course, they are nano-machines in your blood, which is a billion times more complex..
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  5. #4 String theory is unraveling. 
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    I heard a good one the other day, 'String theory is the theory of everything ELSE'. It has so many solutions you have to pick and choose which bend in the road to take for your own personal string theory.
    It can allow just about any kind of universe imaginable or unimaginable to exist. It just has trouble pinning down THIS universe.
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    Kinda true tbh. All they have to do is find the set of strings from which GR and QM can be derived. Then you have to derive QG. Then you have to become the most famous physicist ever and make yourself so rich that you will be wearing gold plated diapers. The last part is the easiest tbh.
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    String theory may one day be a good theory. Read predictive and provable. Now it is a fairy tale, and must be taken on faith.

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    rev thats wrong, its not faith. Its a mathematical model that yet is mathematical accepteble. It just dont have any way yet to be proven, exept a few that is bieng tested.
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  10. #9 Can you give me a predictive result of string theory 
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    rev thats wrong, its not faith. Its a mathematical model that yet is mathematical accepteble. It just dont have any way yet to be proven, exept a few that is bieng tested.
    Can you give me a predictive result of string theory? So it cannot be quantified and it cant predict anything/

    Zelos! You know I am a ID Christian, and this theory is a god did it, which is ok, however I don't have the faith in its ability to predict anything , much less the many or infinite universes hypothesis /fable, not to mention other grandiose claims it seems to make.

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    sparticles
    gonna' need to be a bit more precise than that my friend....
    I will be nice and tip my hand. Predict yes but I predict that Jesus Christ will come to earth some day, what's the diff? hopefully the Tevatron Run II will find the sparticle. Then I will make a (mountain LSD aka moonshine) toast to string theory SS and embrace it as I do god, which is very tightly.

    Hopefully JC will decide to land his space craft or have the cosmic Scotty to transport him here to far east Tennessee today....SS and JC are one in the same, both require faith , however my faith tells me that JC has a better chance of warping out of hyperspace to materializing here, than string theory has predictive power.

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    sparticles are super heavy particle companions to normal particles
    the string theory predicts them, they are also known as super partner
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    By predictive I mean that the theory predicts THEN THE PREDICTION IS PROVEN. So again I ask what HAS string theory wrought in the past 10 years? It is at least 10 YO isn't it? I am too lazy to dig a book out.

    well maybe 2000 years form now it will be predictive?

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    String theory is as well founded in fact as most religions; clear, unambiguous evidence lies at its heart to the same extent it lies at the heart of Christianity or Islam.

    In short, string theory is not a theory it is a conjecture. It provides a medium in which mathematical whizz kids can explore an invented reality, similar to Dungeons and Dragons, but much more exclusive.
    Within five years, or fifteen, but certainly fifty, it will be recognised as one of the most wasteful episodes in science of the last five centuries.
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    By predictive I mean that the theory predicts THEN THE PREDICTION IS PROVEN.
    thats the correct definition, but that doesnt matter if its possible inn 30 second or 30 million years.

    well maybe 2000 years form now it will be predictive?
    sparticles are making it predictible
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    In short, string theory is not a theory it is a conjecture. It provides a medium in which mathematical whizz kids can explore an invented reality, similar to Dungeons and Dragons, but much more exclusive.
    Within five years, or fifteen, but certainly fifty, it will be recognised as one of the most wasteful episodes in science of the last five centuries.
    I agree , however, at the same time hope that I am wrong, in that we need new exciting theory! I do so love the elegant short theory's they are like art, and string theory is , well like a bowl of pasta left out overnight mushy and complicated,...can pasta be complicated...I need food...getting weeeeeakkkk....ahhhhhhhhh...


    and zelos keep your fingers crossed, I would hope if SS is true it can be reduced to something like a few of the energy equals mass squared by the speed of light thing.

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    Within five years, or fifteen, but certainly fifty, it will be recognised as one of the most wasteful episodes in science of the last five centuries
    Why do you seem so certain of this? Heck they're still trying to figure out all the extremely complicated math involved, it's a bit early to be branding it "one of the most wasteful episodes in science" already, isn't it?
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    Even though I rail against "the tenured , entrenched , secular humanistic , government mandated , science world" I feel that any Idea or theory, even string theory, should not be suppressed, and may have as yet unforeseen merit.

    Maybe with the run of televtron II , the existance of the sparticle will be proven out, untill then I am a fence sitter.

    However It should not until proven empirically or at least illustrate proven predictive outcome, be held as a good theory.
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    it predictes a outcome, it is the sparticles. If ou wanna talk about bad theories we cant begin with ID. But that would be going of topic
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neutrino
    Within five years, or fifteen, but certainly fifty, it will be recognised as one of the most wasteful episodes in science of the last five centuries
    Why do you seem so certain of this? Heck they're still trying to figure out all the extremely complicated math involved, it's a bit early to be branding it "one of the most wasteful episodes in science" already, isn't it?
    Why am I so certain of this? It is an item of faith. I believe, based purely on the results of a couple of millenia of scientific investigation, that we the big ideas at the forefront of knowledge, turn out to be wrong. I find it chauvunistic in the extreme that I would, by chance, have been born into a period where we were finally getting it right.
    I then add to that the almost total absence of any practical way of falsifying the so called theory which renders it, as per Popper, as wholly unscientific.
    Mathematics is not like physics. It allows us to describe the physically impossible. Just because a suite of equations is elegant does not make them true. String theorists have been overcome by the elegance and novelty of their construct. This is a poor basis for a scientific theory.
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    Ophiolite, i have to disagree, many theories start with math, then is proven right. Positron is one of them, started as a mathematical concept from a equation, then it was shown to exist. You can do physics by using equations. Of course we wont know its true until its proven
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    You can do, but not all that can be postulated in an equation can exist in reality. The experimetal evidence is necessary. It is lacking in string theory. It is also, perhaps, impossible to test physically, which renders it, as I said earlier, mere idle speculation.

    I object vehemently to it being called a theory. It is at very best a hypothesis, and, for the reasons noted above, is truly not much above a conjecture. This loose use of the word theory just provides ammunition for creationists and the like. It is wholly unscientific to call it a theory.
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    The experimetal evidence is necessary. It is lacking in string theory
    this i agree on, yet that is

    . It is also, perhaps, impossible to test physically, which renders it, as I said earlier, mere idle speculation
    it isnt impossible, sparticles is possible, we just dont have particle accelerators strong enough now. but it is with in physical reach

    This loose use of the word theory just provides ammunition for creationists and the like. It is wholly unscientific to call it a theory.
    einstein called his theory a theory before it was proven
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zelos
    Einstein called his theory a theory before it was proven
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory
    Flawed logic. Appeal to authority. Invalid argument.
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    maybe, but still there is nothing wrong with string theory, it have given a way to disprove eitself, by not finding sparticles
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    Just because a suite of equations is elegant does not make them true. String theorists have been overcome by the elegance and novelty of their construct. This is a poor basis for a scientific theory.
    I'm not sure I agree with this. What exactly is physics if not the search for mathematical relationships in the universe? Sure string theory isn't as based in observation as much of the rest of physics, but the mathematical models will yield predictions that will at some point be testable. Right now you seem to be right, it's thin on evidence and thin on falsifiability (is that a word?). But that won't always be the case as our technological limitations decline and our ability to mathematical model the theory improves.
    As far as the term "string theory" being an issue for you, that's your prerogative. I agree that in a lot of cases the word "theory" requires a stricter standard but at the same time, even in science, the words "theory" and "law" sometimes are used pretty loosely. I personally don't get too bothered by whatever terminology is used, up until a creationist breaks out with the "it's only a theory" argument.
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    Point me to a scientific breakthrough that didn't arise out of observation. I can't think of any. For me, string theory is mental masturbation by mathematicians.

    If it ever becomes practically falsifiable I will happily concede that it is an interesting hypothesis. (Hypotheses would be more accurate since there are a number of variants.) If a few experimental facts validate it I shall concede it is a theory. I wont set up one set of rules for creationists and another for scientists.

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    "Why am I so certain of this? It is an item of faith."
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    Due to censorship I cannot reply to this thread in good faith.

    I will be on a radical sabbatical for an indefinite period.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ophiolite
    Point me to a scientific breakthrough that didn't arise out of observation.
    so why does this mean that ALL scientific breakthroughs MUST be made through observation.
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    Ophiolite, maybe you are familiar with einstein? his scientific breakthrou was made by mathematic alone, then observations confirmed his mathematic
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    Not so. He was very conscious of the results of the Michelson Morley experiment, and of the work of Maxwell, for which there had been much observational input.
    He used thought experiments and mathematics to produce an explanation that was consistent with observation.
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    okey, maybe not entirely

    the positron then?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ophiolite
    He used thought experiments and mathematics to produce an explanation that was consistent with observation.
    Why is string theory SO different? It's a mathematical model which is attempting to explain reality, in more ways than previous theories. Prediction of particles, unification of forces, it's not like it's bereft of observation input.
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    and also, even before black holes were observed they had been calcualted to exist, propeties of them have been calculated, alot by stephen hawking.

    and the development of galaxies were first predicted to contain blackholes in the center before they were discovered. and why they stop eating aswell
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