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    But the ant can't look down to see it has legs? Can you not grasp the concept of not being able to look up or down? How would the ant command its legs to move it if it doesn't know they are there..
     

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    But the ant can't look down to see it has legs? Can you not grasp the concept of not being able to look up or down? How would the ant command its legs to move it if it doesn't know they are there..
    Can you not grasp the concept of an analogy?

    There are no 2D ants.
    There are no 2D ants walking in a 2D world.
    Those things don't actually exist.

    It is an analogy.
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    Yes but if the analogy is rat droppings then the rest that follows could be a swarm of insects that eat those rat droppings, maybe cockroaches.

    You cannot start off a conversation, grab every ones attention then change the state of play, that's an act and this idea of 'misconceptions of expansion' is a misconception in its self by suggesting you can have movement in a 2D world.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by andythomasthekey View Post
    Yes but if the analogy is rat droppings then the rest that follows could be a swarm of insects that eat those rat droppings, maybe cockroaches.

    You cannot start off a conversation, grab every ones attention then change the state of play, that's an act and this idea of 'misconceptions of expansion' is a misconception in its self by suggesting you can have movement in a 2D world.
    As I said, you're doing everything that you can to claim to not understand it so that you can claim you find it unbelievable so that you can not have to deal with the scientific findings conflicting with your beliefs.
    What a pathetic goose chase this thread was led on.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by andythomasthekey View Post
    Yes but if the analogy is rat droppings then the rest that follows could be a swarm of insects that eat those rat droppings, maybe cockroaches.
    It appears that analogies are truly beyond your ability to understand.
    That is very unusual.
    Normally, even very young children have no difficulty understanding such a simple comparison.
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    Okay, change of direction then. To do with the centre of the universe - how do we as 3D humans measure a wave form? I ask this because waves give rise to matter and matter is in the question, a simple explanation will do.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by andythomasthekey View Post
    ...a simple explanation will do.
    What kind of explanation do you think you will be able to understand, if even analogies are too complicated for you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by andythomasthekey View Post
    In actual fact there is no such thing as 2D, it doesn't exist. What doesn't have depth?
    A shadow.
     

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    The problem with this thread is that andy does not know what an analogy is.

    Of course, he could just be the annoying troll he appears to be, but I'm feeling kind, and so will give him the benefit of the doubt and assume he's simply stupid.
    Its the way nature is!
    If you dont like it, go somewhere else....
    To another universe, where the rules are simpler
    Philosophically more pleasing, more psychologically easy
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    Stupid is stupid does! The analogy is there to say 'stop thinking in 2D' as it doesn't exist.

    I would like to know the conditions needed to measure a wave form, do I need to be stood in the path or can I measure it accurately from the side?
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by andythomasthekey View Post
    The analogy is there to say 'stop thinking in 2D' as it doesn't exist.
    No, it isn't.

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    Stupid is stupid does!
    Yes - which leads us back to my unanswered question:

    Quote Originally Posted by andythomasthekey View Post
    I would like to know the conditions needed to measure a wave form, do I need to be stood in the path or can I measure it accurately from the side?
    So...what kind of explanation do you think you will be able to understand, if even analogies are too complicated for you?
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    I'm not after an analogy for measuring a wave form. Just set the scene for me to measure a simple wave in a 3D world please.

    Take a radio wave for example. What would I need to measure it, where would I need to stand with the measuring instrument in relation to the radio wave.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpeedFreek View Post
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    In actual fact there is no such thing as 2D, it doesn't exist. What doesn't have depth?
    A shadow.
    Is a shadow anti matter?
     

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    If a shadow has no 3D presence then what is it?

    Any chance of answering the question how to measure a wave? (BTW an oscilloscope only gives me a 2D idea of what it looks like which in all fairness doesn't exist in a world of motion)
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by andythomasthekey View Post
    I'm not after an analogy for measuring a wave form. Just set the scene for me to measure a simple wave in a 3D world please.
    The Scene:
    Andwyn Jerome Thomas III(the Key) is seated at a desk with an oscilloscope.
    Lady in white lab coat walks onto the stage carrying a tray.
    Lady: "Are you still at it?"
    Andythomasthekey: "Yes. I'll thank you not to interrupt with your voodoo science. I'm trying to find a radio wave in the 3rd Dimension!"
    Lady: "Using that, I'm sure you will. Come on, time for you to take these pills."
    Andythomasthekey: "Confound it woman!" Slams oscilloscope against the wall. "Such assurances only prove that this device won't work.."
    Lady: "Well, you might try an AM/FM radio..."
    Hands Andythomasthekey a tall glass of water.
    Andythomasthekey: "Bah! Don't stand so close... I fear your anti-matter shadow."
    Lady: "<Chuckle> Well, the doctor hopes this batch might help with anti-matter shadows, too. She also wants you to get plenty of rest, so lights out at ten." Heavy door closes.
    Andythomasthekey walks over to smashed oscilloscope and experimentally licks it as curtain falls.

    Scene 3:...
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    I did like that NF

    So it is possible to detect a wave as long as your in its path and you have the correct equipment to synthesize with it. Can I only measure a wave truly by intercepting it?

    (I wasn't stating a shadow is anti-matter, just asking)
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by andythomasthekey View Post
    I did like that NF

    So it is possible to detect a wave as long as your in its path and you have the correct equipment to synthesize with it. Can I only measure a wave truly by intercepting it?
    Synthesize is the wrong word- but over-all, yes. I am impressed because intercepting it was the right word.
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    (I wasn't stating a shadow is anti-matter, just asking)
    So why not look up what anti-matter is before you ask.

    You've dissembled one analogy to the point of absurdity.
    You have access to Google.
    I do not disagree that analogies are imperfect. They are only used to try to convey an idea without mathematics. The problem is that the idea can only be conveyed through mathematics and a strong understanding of the math is required to fully grasp what the analogy tries to show.
    Now you ask another absurdity: Is a shadow made of anti-matter? What inspired you to ask such a thing?
    There's an old saying, "There's no such thing as a stupid question."
    That saying is wrong. You just asked one of them.

    A shadow is simply an area which is obscured from less direct light.

    The dimensional aspects of the link I posted only serve to make an unfamiliar world (The outside Universe) appear more like the familiar world (Here on Earth) so that the average reader can get the basic gist of the idea, think they understand it, even if they do not really understand it.

    A child asks, "Why did Grandma die?"
    In order for the child to understand, the mother would need to teach him full genetics lessons, modern medicine and about the impact of her illness upon the cellular structure of Grandmas body in combination with the functioning of that body with a nervous system, lymphatic system, respiratory system and circulatory system.
    Over the course of many years, he may finally be ready for the answer.
    That won't go over, very well- he wants an answer NOW.
    So she opts to put it in simple form so he can think he understands an answer now.
    "Sweetie, you know how your toys get old and they break after a while? Things simply cannot last forever because they wear down. The parts rub and wear eachother away and eventually, enough material was lost that the toy can no longer function..."
    The child nods, comprehending the analogy...
    "Well, it's kind of like that with Grandma, you see. She was around for a long time and... well, her parts gave out."

    The Grandmother was NOTHING like a toy. Her molded plastic parts did not generate friction against other plastic parts. She did not break in the manner of a toy. But the analogy is close enough - the child is satisfied with the answer and his comprehension.

    If you really want real answers. You're going to need to Get To Work. Research. Education. Nothing else will do.

    Now, excuse me, I need to get back to work on my latest invention:
    Huma-lube. High Impact human plastic parts grease to make sure Grandma can keep going and going and going...
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neverfly View Post
    A child asks, "Why did Grandma die?"
    Did the 2D ants eat her?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PhDemon View Post
    Nah, she touched her own shadow and annhilated...
    If only she had harnessed the anti-matter distortion field, she could have cloaked.
     

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    Well at least I broke an old saying if anything! Thanks for the breakdown of the analogy, Shame people can find comfort in an analogy. Huma-lube? Are you looking for the holy grail or something similar .

    So it is only possible to decode a wave as long as I am in its path with the correct equipment capable of measuring it. Can I only measure a wave truly by intercepting it? For a primitive example if I happened to be a policeman and my job was to shoot down moving cars I would be using a device that allows me to fire laser beams at a lump of matter coming directly at me giving me a very accurate result of the cars speed but if I was stood to the side of the cars projected route my measurement may be a little off.
     

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    WTF are you talking about?
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    Quote Originally Posted by andythomasthekey View Post
    So it is only possible to decode a wave as long as I am in its path with the correct equipment capable of measuring it. Can I only measure a wave truly by intercepting it? For a primitive example if I happened to be a policeman and my job was to shoot down moving cars I would be using a device that allows me to fire laser beams at a lump of matter coming directly at me giving me a very accurate result of the cars speed but if I was stood to the side of the cars projected route my measurement may be a little off.
    Decode; Wrong word choice.
    Intercepting a wave is much easier than intercepting cars. But generally, yes. You won't necessarily notice a wave that you do not intercept.
    Waves propagate through space, reflect off of objects or are distorted by objects. NOT intercepting a wave is not so easy.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by andythomasthekey View Post
    I'm not after an analogy for measuring a wave form. Just set the scene for me to measure a simple wave in a 3D world please.
    I wasn't offering you an analogy - we all know that analogies are too advanced for you.

    It even appears that a simple question is also too difficult for you to understand, but I will try once more:
    What kind of explanation do you think you will be able to understand, if even analogies are too complicated for you?

    I see that others are attempting to educate you, but they are experiencing the same problems as before: you are unable to understand even simple explanations.
    Perhaps you could tell us how small the baby steps need to be for you to follow what is being said?
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    Quote Originally Posted by andythomasthekey View Post
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    In actual fact there is no such thing as 2D, it doesn't exist. What doesn't have depth?
    A shadow.
    Is a shadow anti matter?
    No.

    A shadow is the area of a surface where no photons are hitting that surface.

    A cast shadow can cover a surface, but it does not exist anywhere except on that surface. It has no "thickness".

    A cast shadow is a good real world example of something that is 2 dimensional. You can only see a shadow on a surface.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpeedFreek View Post
    No.

    A shadow is the area of a surface where no photons are hitting that surface..
    Nitpick: You know what the nitpick is...
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    andythomasthekey,

    The universe is expanding you say? I'd love to hear the explanation behind this, how do you work that one out?
    Forget about the ants already They have already be stepped on

    I also ascribe to theory whereby the universe is not expanding, like it appears you believe. In this model/idea and similar models, the universe would also be finite in volume, in quantity of matter/energy, and have a central area to it. But the realization should be that this arguments is not part of any mainstream discussions today, that I know of. Such ideas cannot be argued here in this forum because they are not mainstream.

    It is very rare that anyone wants to impartially or seriously discuss the pros-and-cons of this or other "non-mainstream alternative ideas/ possibilities" anywhere in this overall Forum, other than just unsophisticated and/or denigrating comments. The "New Ideas" forum is also not intended for alternative theory where some might have the basis in century-old theory. This, I think, is because few have ever heard of most of the great number of "alternative" ideas (including those by mainstream scientists) so have rarely ever given any serious consideration concerning any of their real possibilities.

    There are many sophisticated readers and postings here in the mainstream forums. General mainstream Forums and topics here (and elsewhere) are meant for teaching the mainstream theory such as what might be taught in school, not for arguments and theories that are presently not considered by mainstream science. It is also supply and demand; if nobody seems to be interested in alternative theories then why make a separate category for them?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neverfly View Post
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    No.

    A shadow is the area of a surface where no photons are hitting that surface..
    Nitpick: You know what the nitpick is...
    Nitpicks not worth mentioning? Instead of "no photons," in its place put "much fewer photons." In place of a shadow being only two dimensional, a shadow extends from the surface of an object within the shadow, to the source of the shadow. Only on the surface of an object within its cast, however, does the shadow become readily apparent when contrasted by its surrounding peripheral deliniation by illumination.
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    Quote Originally Posted by forrest noble View Post
    Nitpicks not worth mentioning?
    You know why.
     

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    A child asks, "What is expanding of the universe?"
    In order for the child to understand, the mother would need to teach him a shit load about the universe.
    Over the course of many years, he may finally be ready for the answer.
    That won't go over, very well- he wants an answer NOW.
    So she opts to put it in simple form so he can think he understands an answer now.
    "Sweetie, Imagine the full moon to be earth with one ant living on it near the top and at the bottom are its children needing milking everyday. During the night whilst the ants sleep a mouse goes to the moon and stores a little cheese inside it for safe keeps, so much so that one day the ant starts to notice her moon is getting bigger."
    The child asks "how does the ant know this if its asleep when the mouse comes," to which she replies "the mother ant notices it is taking longer for her to get to its young with each day taking longer than the last."
    The child nods, comprehending the analogy...
    "Well, it's kind of like that with the universe, you see. We are like the ant and its young on a moon only we are smarter than ants and can use computers and clever tools to work out how to spot that mouse when we are asleep."

    Earth is NOTHING like the moon in the story. Earths 3 dimentional surface does not limit us to the ants 2D perspective. The moon isn't fed cheese over night. But the analogy is close enough - the child is satisfied with the answer and his comprehension.
     

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    We are at a close enough position to the centre of our perceived universe. It is an analogy that needs expanding for people that don't understand the concept anything is possible with just a little faith. Maths and number crunching bring more than faith, they give rise to 3 dimensional objects suggesting we should explore further into our forever expanding perceived universe and it doesn't matter what we find, the fact we are expanding is enough, unless anyone has a different perspective on the matter?
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by andythomasthekey View Post
    "Sweetie, Imagine the full moon to be earth with one ant living on it near the top and at the bottom are its children needing milking everyday. During the night whilst the ants sleep a mouse goes to the moon and stores a little cheese inside it for safe keeps, so much so that one day the ant starts to notice her moon is getting bigger."
    The child asks "how does the ant know this if its asleep when the mouse comes," to which she replies "the mother ant notices it is taking longer for her to get to its young with each day taking longer than the last."
    The child nods, comprehending the analogy...
    "Well, it's kind of like that with the universe, you see. We are like the ant and its young on a moon only we are smarter than ants and can use computers and clever tools to work out how to spot that mouse when we are asleep."

    Earth is NOTHING like the moon in the story. Earths 3 dimentional surface does not limit us to the ants 2D perspective. The moon isn't fed cheese over night. But the analogy is close enough - the child is satisfied with the answer and his comprehension.
    We have already established that you do not understand what an analogy is; what it is for; nor how it is used.
    There is no need to provide further evidence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by andythomasthekey View Post
    It is an analogy that needs expanding for people that don't understand the concept anything is possible with just a little faith.
    Rubbish.

    Maths and number crunching bring more than faith, they give rise to 3 dimensional objects
    Equally rubbish.

    unless anyone has a different perspective on the matter?
    Yeah; stop posting drivel.
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    Duck - you would of had to have faith in order to put trust in numbers other wise you wouldn't even care for what 2+2 means.

    Without triangulation how can you measure something in space?

    If there is something you are not telling me from your perspective about the matter then why not share it?
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by andythomasthekey View Post
    Duck - you would of had to have faith in order to put trust in numbers other wise you wouldn't even care for what 2+2 means.
    Apart from the fact that that doesn't address what I responded to... No, you're wrong.
    Faith has bugger all to do with maths.
    It has been proved that 2+2=4.
    Russell and Whitehead spent years establishing this.

    Without triangulation how can you measure something in space?
    What?
    Let's take another look at what you wrote: Maths and number crunching bring more than faith, they give rise to 3 dimensional objects.
    Nothing to do with "triangulation". Nothing to do with "in space".
    3 dimensional objects are not a "result" of maths. Nor are they a concomitant of "triangulation".
    Maybe you'd like to take some English lessons before trying again?

    If there is something you are not telling me from your perspective about the matter then why not share it?
    I did: you post drivel and I wish you'd stop.
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    Quote Originally Posted by andythomasthekey View Post
    Without triangulation how can you measure something in space?
    Angular diameter.

    How big something looks in the sky can tell you how far away it is.


    Cosmological Redshift.

    The difference in the wavelength of light between emission and detection can tell you how much the universe has scaled up since the light was emitted.


    etc etc
     

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    Your eyes measure with triangulation as long as the object is in a constant state of movement, not rest. Are you blind or do you have faith in your eyes?

    Russell had faith when concluding his findings whether you accept it or not, you seem to have a hateful disbelieve toward your own senses.

    How do you measure a cloud?
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by andythomasthekey View Post
    Your eyes measure with triangulation as long as the object is in a constant state of movement, not rest.
    Wrong.

    Are you blind or do you have faith in your eyes?
    What?
    Neither.

    Russell had faith when concluding his findings whether you accept it or not
    Also wrong. They used logic. Something you're apparently devoid of.

    you seem to have a hateful disbelieve toward your own senses.
    "Hateful"?
    Senses are unreliable. That is a fact.
    LEARN ENGLISH!
    The word you should have used is "disbelief".
    And it's "of", not "toward".

    How do you measure a cloud?
    What?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PhDemon View Post
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    How do you measure a cloud?
    Speaking as an atmospheric scientist I'd probably measure the temperature of the surrounding air, the number density and size distribution of the water droplets and if it's ice the morphology of the crystals, but that's just me...
    Do any of those methods involve sending up probes on balloons to sit inside the cloud?
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhDemon View Post
    Could do, balloons, aircraft, drop sondes, etc it's all good.
    Rubbish!
    I know for a fact that you use demons and spend hours calling on the Dark Ones to give you the required information.
    It's well documented 1 that meteorology gets through virgins like nobody's business.


    1 Well, there might be something somewhere on the internet that says that, although I haven't come across it yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PhDemon View Post
    Could do, balloons, aircraft, drop sondes, etc it's all good. If you're going along the lines of the measurement changing the cloud I wouldn't bother because it affects none of the things I mentioned.
    Not at all, I'm not out to disprove anything here just working out how we could alter our perspective on our universe. Rather than send a weather balloon up into the clouds can we not just use the same machines we use to measure the universe with on a toned down scale. Seems to me like they are more than capable of doing such tasks?
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by andythomasthekey View Post
    Rather than send a weather balloon up into the clouds can we not just use the same machines we use to measure the universe with on a toned down scale. Seems to me like they are more than capable of doing such tasks?
    Which "machines"?
    Radar? Long wavelength = "large targets" and line of sight.
    Telescopes? Line of sight.
    Handwavium?
    That'll work...


    BTW, nice change of tack...
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    What multitude of machines or devices are needed to measure clouds?

    I know clouds exist as I can see them and they cast a moving shadow but what I don't know is if they are 3 dimensional. Rather than send a probe up in to the clouds on earth can I use a multitude of machines or devices similar to the ones being used right now for measuring gas clouds in the universe?
     

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    I am asking how you would set about proving the cloud is a 3 dimensional object without physically sending a probe into it to measure the particles in the atmosphere.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by andythomasthekey View Post
    What multitude of machines or devices are needed to measure clouds?
    Ah right.
    You're just speculating wildly.

    I know clouds exist as I can see them and they cast a moving shadow but what I don't know is if they are 3 dimensional.
    What?
    Are you using some obscure, personal definition of "3 dimensional"?
    (And, apropos of nothing, what does clouds being 3D or not have to do with anything?)

    Rather than send a probe up in to the clouds on earth can I use a multitude of machines or devices similar to the ones being used right now for measuring gas clouds in the universe?
    "Measuring" gas clouds in the universe -
    Radar? Long wavelength = "large targets" and line of sight.
    Telescopes? Line of sight.

    What sort of "measurement" are you talking about?
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    Quote Originally Posted by andythomasthekey View Post
    I am asking how you would set about proving the cloud is a 3 dimensional object without physically sending a probe into it to measure the particles in the atmosphere.
    Does a cloud have height?
    Yes.
    Does a cloud have "width"?
    Yes.
    Does a cloud have "length"?
    Yes.

    Conclusion: clouds are 3 dimensional.
    No measurement required.

    Ooh, check: does a cloud occupy volume?
    Yes.
    Definitely 3D.
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    AndyThomasTheKey; It appears as though you are manipulating the argument in order to make it appear as though science operates entirely by faith.
     

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    You could say that about the surface of a calm lake.

    Does it have length?
    Yes.
    Does it have width?
    Yes, but does it have depth or is that reflection an illusion. No measurements taken but a conclusion drawn. Until you come into contact with the surface of the water will you not be able to gauge how deep it is or know how dense it is.

    Is there a machine or series of machines on earth right now that could weigh a cloud for me without the machine physically being inside the cloud but firmly on the ground?
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by andythomasthekey View Post
    You could say that about the surface of a calm lake.
    No you couldn't.
    Not if you want to be correct.

    Does it have length?
    Yes.
    Does it have width?
    Yes, but does it have depth or is that reflection an illusion.
    No measurements taken but a conclusion drawn. Until you come into contact with the surface of the water will you not be able to gauge how deep it is or know how dense it is.
    You really need to go back(?) to school.
    By definition a surface is 2D.

    Is there a machine or series of machines on earth right now that could weigh a cloud for me without the machine physically being inside the cloud but firmly on the ground?
    What?
    WTF does weight of a cloud have to do with anything?
    A cloud is a volume. Of water droplets.
    I'll defer to PhDemon here but I'd guess that
    A) different cloud types have differing but known - at least roughly - densities
    B) given a volume AND a density then
    C) mass can be calculated.
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    Your analogy NF, much like the original ant and aphid one is only good up to a certain point..

    A child asks, "Why did Grandma die?"
    In order for the child to understand, the mother would need to teach him full genetics lessons, modern medicine and about the impact of her illness upon the cellular structure of Grandmas body in combination with the functioning of that body with a nervous system, lymphatic system, respiratory system and circulatory system.
    Over the course of many years, he may finally be ready for the answer.
    That won't go over, very well- he wants an answer NOW.
    So she opts to put it in simple form so he can think he understands an answer now.
    "Sweetie, you know how your toys get old and they break after a while? Things simply cannot last forever because they wear down. The parts rub and wear each other away and eventually, enough material was lost that the toy can no longer function..."

    At this moment the child's eyes roll to the back of its head and a squirrel see's its opportunity to sneak inside of the child's skull to store some nuts. Off the squirrel runs dashing all the way.

    The child re-enters the room, not comprehending the analogy...

    "Well, I am sorry about that son, I thought you may of had a good working knowledge of friction, relative motion of solid surfaces, and material elements sliding against each other".

    The boy wishes he had never asked.

    The Ant analogy suggests all humans with eyes have no perception of depth, I am sure a child gets this before it learns to talk. A better analogy would be better suited for a greater understanding of the real analogy. There is an easier way to suggest the notion of expanding without having to mention 2D.
     

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    It's long past time this is moved to the trash.
    Its the way nature is!
    If you dont like it, go somewhere else....
    To another universe, where the rules are simpler
    Philosophically more pleasing, more psychologically easy
    Prof Richard Feynman (1979) .....

    Das ist nicht nur nicht richtig, es ist nicht einmal falsch!"
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by andythomasthekey View Post
    At this moment the child's eyes roll to the back of its head and a squirrel see's its opportunity to sneak inside of the child's skull to store some nuts. Off the squirrel runs dashing all the way.

    The child re-enters the room, not comprehending the analogy...
    The boy wishes he had never asked.

    The Ant analogy suggests all humans with eyes have no perception of depth, I am sure a child gets this before it learns to talk. A better analogy would be better suited for a greater understanding of the real analogy. There is an easier way to suggest the notion of expanding without having to mention 2D.
    So, pick a better analogy if you don't have the capacity to understand the given one.
     

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    The universe no more has a 'centre' than the surface of a sphere has a centre. Simples!
     

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    I'd rather not. My point is made.
     

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    Let's see...theorist is banned, and then andythomasthekey shows up, displaying the same level of aggressive stupidity. They both use the nonsense phrase "measure a wave form." They do make different grammatical errors, but that could simply be by design.

    In any case, they share trollish behavior. If andythomasthekey is not a sock-puppet of theorist, he is a family relation, from all evidence.
     

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    If the universe had a 'centre' then obviously it would need an 'edge' from which to calculate the centre. As it hasn't got an 'edge' it cannot have a 'centre'.
     

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    But from our perspective it has as close enough one..
     

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    From my perspective the centre of the universe is me as it extends equally in all directions from me. But then this statement is equally valid from any point in the cosmos......
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    Indeed it is. Chances are you'll find more of what you have already found but still worth a gamble looking, no matter the huge drain it puts on our quality of life.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by andythomasthekey View Post
    no matter the huge drain it puts on our quality of life.
    You need to get out more.
     

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    Explain yourself please.
     

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    He means you should take long walks.
    Away from your computer.
    That way you won't post crap quite as often.
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    I postulate there is a center in our universe and it is a super massive black hole white hole complex and our universe is rotating just as our galaxy rotates this explains the flat appearance of our universe we are in a giant accretion disk propelled by the propellant force of the initial white hole that spawned our universe into existence.eventually our universe will stabilize as the electromagnetic field of our central black hole reaches equilibrium at that point our universe will rotate around it's central black hole. This side of our dualiverse is most likely still in the white hole phase this explains the erratic and unpredictable motions of the galaxies as in dark flow and galactic collisions . If our universe was in the black hole state then the motions of the galaxies would be predictable and uniform just as they are within the galactic arms of our own galaxy. So the galaxies would be held in place by the gravitational force exhibited by our universe black holes magnetic spiral arms. The galaxies in our universe universe show no sign of the rigid and steady motion generated by galactic magnetic field lines . So in conclusion our universe has a center that center is currently a white hole eventually that white hole will collapse and become a black hole our universe will rotate steadily and uniformly until the black hole at the center collapses and our universe will be pulled into it and this process will be repeated at universe bs white hole exit.
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    You resurrected a year old thread to post this toss? Please stop posting bollocks.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deep Thoughts View Post
    I postulate
    That is not how you spell fantasize. You are just making stuff up again.

    What sort of mental illness causes you to keep posting the same nonsense even after the flaws have been pointed out?

    You have provided no EVIDENCE. Therefore this is not science.

    there is a center in our universe
    Evidence required. (Clue: no there isn't.)

    it is a super massive black hole white hole complex
    Evidence required. (Clue: no it isn't.)

    our universe is rotating
    Evidence required. (Clue: no it isn't.)

    this explains the flat appearance of our universe we are in a giant accretion disk
    Evidence required. (And the universe does not "appear flat": it is homogeneously and isotropically distributed all around us in three dimensions.)

    the initial white hole that spawned our universe into existence
    Evidence required.

    Do you begin to see the problem? You are just spouting made-up crap. This is NOT SCIENCE. Stop it. People will just assume you are insane. Especially when you keep posting the same thing and refuse to address the obvious flaws.
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