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    Greetings everyone.

    Now, Iíve got some Ideas that I would like your comments too. Just something small but they are ideas roaming around my mind that seems to want to get out there. You know how it is.

    OK, Iíve been watching programs about origin of Earth, The Sun, Big bang and gravity everything needed to make the universe work the way it does, but here are my ideas or questions.

    I believe everything did not start with the big bang, the big bang did happen, but its part of something larger, like a sun that goes supernova to create materials to form planets and such. You can call it stages so to speak.

    The Big bang is the very first stage, after its explosion, gasses are catapulted across the universe and we see some today. They slowly clump to make super suns, or giants witch then create more complex materials and then explode starting the second stage. Then the next stage of suns are made while the heavier elements clump together to make planets that we see today in the night sky heavier elements form rocky planets as the gasses (Hydrogen I think) clump together and ignite to make the sun. Like earths atmosphere is in stages.

    But my problem is the TV programs I am seeing always tells me that scientists only believe the universe is all there is. They even believe the universe is connected with time and space, like a balloon. What if this was not the case, what if our universe was not the only universe out there.

    What if space itself is just a never-ending expanse of darkness and our universe is just a galaxy within something bigger. It stands to reason. The discovery of other galaxies was relatively new and nothing says that our own bubble universe is the only one out there.

    Our big bang could have been accompanied by trillions of others, but because the universe is so huge there is no evidence. Its just confuses me that even the smallest thing on earth is complex and mind boggling, perhaps our own universe is just like a grain of sand on a huge scale that does not have a limit.

    Another thing, perhaps our universe is expanding and some people think it will shrink again, but think of explosives, blow something off this planet hard enough, it will never come back, we all hope and pray that the big bang gave the universe such a kick up the bumb, it will never come back in a big squeeze, unless the black holes drag everything back and explode in a second big bang,

    Sorry for my bad spelling, and crazy Ideas, I know I probably talked from one end of my body that should be blowing in the big bang, but itís only some Ideas.


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    The "multiverse" concept is pretty mainstream, but as you say, there is no direct evidence.

    As to your thinking related to explosives, have a read of the following Scientific american article:
    http://www.mso.anu.edu.au/~charley/p...DavisSciAm.pdf
    (Note: the first page is blank!)


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    The fact that the CMB is viewable indicates a 'flat' universe which has been confirmed by the Perlmutter observations and confirmed by Hubble.
    After several trillion years, all mass/ energy will have dissipated [ even the black holes will boil off due to Hawking raidiation ] and we will be in a De Sitter universe where mass is discounted and only the cosmological constant exists. Th

    The latest I've read suggests that at this point the universe would effectively be a quantum system that can be subject to state vector collapse thereby 'seeding' the next big bang [ See Cycles of Time - Roger Penrose ]. People are already studying the CMB pictures to detect any sign of structure. The is also a mysterious anomaly where a large group of galaxies seem to be converging towards a single location on the map this is known as 'Dark Flow' and ther is no explanation for this at present.
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    Did he 'kggf' mean if solar system, galaxy, universe, etc put on a scale what is seen on either side of visible universe?
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    Quote Originally Posted by sak View Post
    Did he 'kggf' mean if solar system, galaxy, universe, etc put on a scale what is seen on either side of visible universe?
    More of the same. The universe is thought to extend beyond our visible part of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kggf View Post
    Greetings everyone.

    Now, I’ve got some Ideas that I would like your comments too. Just something small but they are ideas roaming around my mind that seems to want to get out there. You know how it is.

    OK, I’ve been watching programs about origin of Earth, The Sun, Big bang and gravity everything needed to make the universe work the way it does, but here are my ideas or questions.

    I believe everything did not start with the big bang, the big bang did happen, but its part of something larger, like a sun that goes supernova to create materials to form planets and such. You can call it stages so to speak.

    The Big bang is the very first stage, after its explosion, gasses are catapulted across the universe and we see some today. They slowly clump to make super suns, or giants witch then create more complex materials and then explode starting the second stage. Then the next stage of suns are made while the heavier elements clump together to make planets that we see today in the night sky heavier elements form rocky planets as the gasses (Hydrogen I think) clump together and ignite to make the sun. Like earths atmosphere is in stages.

    But my problem is the TV programs I am seeing always tells me that scientists only believe the universe is all there is. They even believe the universe is connected with time and space, like a balloon. What if this was not the case, what if our universe was not the only universe out there.

    What if space itself is just a never-ending expanse of darkness and our universe is just a galaxy within something bigger. It stands to reason. The discovery of other galaxies was relatively new and nothing says that our own bubble universe is the only one out there.

    Our big bang could have been accompanied by trillions of others, but because the universe is so huge there is no evidence. Its just confuses me that even the smallest thing on earth is complex and mind boggling, perhaps our own universe is just like a grain of sand on a huge scale that does not have a limit.

    Another thing, perhaps our universe is expanding and some people think it will shrink again, but think of explosives, blow something off this planet hard enough, it will never come back, we all hope and pray that the big bang gave the universe such a kick up the bumb, it will never come back in a big squeeze, unless the black holes drag everything back and explode in a second big bang,

    Sorry for my bad spelling, and crazy Ideas, I know I probably talked from one end of my body that should be blowing in the big bang, but it’s only some Ideas.
    Your present train of thinking seems to tend toward the idea of a bigger picture such as Stephen Hawking's multiverses. You might enjoy reading one of his books which are geared toward such thinking. I thought they were worth buying/ reading -- but disagree with most of his opinions/ theory.

    My own opinion is very simple; if somebody tells me something is very complicated I consider the possibility that it may be only complicated to them because of their lack of understanding. This does not imply that there is presently any good understanding of reality by anyone, but again in my opinion mainstream proposals are not the only places to look. Read widely, if you remain interested, then start considering your choices as well as your own ideas -- as you are doing here
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