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    Man, there is no shortage of theories on this board!

    Have any of you heard the "Atom Theory" regarding our solar system? It postulates that our solar system is actually an atom with the sun as it's nucleus and the planets as orbiting particles. One atom in something much larger.

    I have also heard the atom theory's brother, the molecule theory, which has a similar model.

    What do you think?
    Ever thought about that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by J. Arthur
    Man, there is no shortage of theories on this board!

    Have any of you heard the "Atom Theory" regarding our solar system? It postulates that our solar system is actually an atom with the sun as it's nucleus and the planets as orbiting particles. One atom in something much larger.

    I have also heard the atom theory's brother, the molecule theory, which has a similar model.

    What do you think?
    Ever thought about that?

    J. Arthur
    the planets, unlike electrons, have reasonably well defined positions, so long as one knows how to calculate such things.
    therefor i never put much stock in this idea.


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    The idea that electrons "orbit" about a nucleus like planets around the sun is wrong, and generally only found in middle-school level textbooks anymore. It's pretty hard to imagine how a planet's orbit could be compared to, say, a d-orbital.
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    Quote Originally Posted by J. Arthur
    Man, there is no shortage of theories on this board!

    Have any of you heard the "Atom Theory" regarding our solar system? It postulates that our solar system is actually an atom with the sun as it's nucleus and the planets as orbiting particles. One atom in something much larger.

    I have also heard the atom theory's brother, the molecule theory, which has a similar model.

    What do you think?
    Ever thought about that?

    J. Arthur
    As well, planets normally don't change orbits, the solar system doesn't interact with other solar systems. The force that keeps electrons orbiting the nucleus is electrical, while the force that moves planets around the sun is gravitational.

    No credit for this theory.
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    Quote Originally Posted by J. Arthur
    Have any of you heard the "Atom Theory" regarding our solar system? It postulates that our solar system is actually an atom with the sun as it's nucleus and the planets as orbiting particles. One atom in something much larger.

    I have also heard the atom theory's brother, the molecule theory, which has a similar model.

    What do you think?
    Ever thought about that?
    J. Arthur
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    Yes. The atom theory is realistic because there is an attraction between the components to create these binaries as in the hydrogen atom or the complex molecules.

    The Bohr atom model is still viable because it has provided the solutions for the HA spectrum that was cinfirned by the Schroedinger equations.
    Schroedingers orbitals provide solutions for the more complex atoms and molecules but these orbitals do not 'pinpoint' the actual position of the electron.

    In any instant in time, the electron will reveal itself as a particle within the orbitals which just proves that the electron still revolves around the proton. But because of the complexity of the more complex atoms and molecules, the interaction between the electrons with other electrons causes the electrons to continue to keep shifting their orbital inclinations to trace out the nature of the orbitals.

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    Not wishing to go off topic, but just how small can it go, excuse the none scientific terms, do you think we will ever find the basic particle??
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    Quote Originally Posted by Die Fledermaus
    Not wishing to go off topic, but just how small can it go, excuse the none scientific terms, do you think we will ever find the basic particle??
    According to string theory, there is not such thing as particles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Die Fledermaus
    Not wishing to go off topic, but just how small can it go, excuse the none scientific terms, do you think we will ever find the basic particle??
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    The only 'real' particles are the electron and the proton.
    They both can exist in isolation and have been thoroughly studied.

    Any other particles are not stable like the neutrons or any components of the protons and neutons like the quarks. The quarks do not exist in isolation so I consider them to be unproven as real particles.
    Their composition in neutrons cannot be right because when a neutron decays, it decays into a electron and a proton plus other miniscule components.

    That is my personal opinion.

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    Mike NS you are too far ahead of me,

    Hermes wrote

    According to string theory, there is not such thing as particles.
    I thought a Quark was a particle :? and a string as yet a debatable theory

    I thought it went in this order, molecules-atoms-electrons neutrons-protons-quarks-strings. it seems I have a long way to go
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    Quote Originally Posted by Die Fledermaus
    According to string theory, there is not such thing as particles.
    I thought a Quark was a particle :? and a string as yet a debatable theory
    Correct.

    I thought it went in this order, molecules-atoms-electrons neutrons-protons-quarks-strings. it seems I have a long way to go
    According to string theory, there is no such thing as particles. Particles are pointlike, whereas string theory considers that the smallest units of matter are not pointlike but are vibrating strings of a higher dimension than points, such as 1d "loops", 2d "membranes", etc.
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    you think it works? Put a sock in it. It sucks.

    You must know that the our planets have well defined orbits but in atoms it is space where the probability of finding electron's is more. i hpoe you understand it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 8)
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    Quote Originally Posted by thevignesh
    you think it works? Put a sock in it. It sucks.

    You must know that the our planets have well defined orbits but in atoms it is space where the probability of finding electron's is more. i hpoe you understand it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 8)
    I am sure that this post means something to you, but I don't understand what your point is at all.
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    he says that planetary orbits/positions can be defined almost perfect, electronical orbits/positions around a atom arent you able to do that for a pennny. just how large the chance is to find it at one point in any time
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    The Atom and Molecule theories I have heard state that if solar systems and molecules (or atoms) are one in the same, but exist in widely different dimensions relative to one another, then all that has been discussed so far on this thread is easily to conceptualize and explain.
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    what would lonly stars be? naked protons in a higher dimension? hahahaha
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    Don't laugh, just think for a moment... they could be free energy particles, they could be a remenent of a collision or an explosion.

    Or try this: think of things similar in form, yet existing in different time and space; one being miniture as compared to the other, one moving a million times slower than the other, all a component of something larger existing in a seemingly fixed plane too large for present humans to observe.
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    its laughble becuase of several things:
    1: a soler system is made up by ATOM
    2: they have EXACT positions, electrons dont
    3: they are determenistic, electron arent
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