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  1. #1 Private Moon Base 
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    What do you think about the feasibility of a private moon base in a decade? Build a tiny dome that shows on the surface, with most of it underground (protected from meteorites) solar powered everything, crops inside. I know NASA isn't planning on anything manned in a while, but maybe a private company could get up the balls to try.

    Issues: Heat, water, oxygen.

    Also, what does the moon have to offer that would make it worth going to?

    Moon tourists?

    Selling moon rocks? Haha maybe they can be polished and make insanely expensive jewelry. 'Out of this world' earings.

    How much water, oxygen, nutrients would you need to sustain like 5 or 10 people?


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    Quote Originally Posted by pedroj012
    but maybe a private company could get up the balls to try.
    It doesn't take balls it takes money.

    Quote Originally Posted by pedroj012
    Issues: Heat, water, oxygen.
    The principle issue is money.

    Quote Originally Posted by pedroj012
    Also, what does the moon have to offer that would make it worth going to?
    Helium 3
    Very bright sunshine half the time.
    Both take large amounts of money to develop and obtain a return.

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    How much water, oxygen, nutrients would you need to sustain like 5 or 10 people?
    Quite a lot. Imparting the delta-V to the people, the construction materials, the power sources, the food, the miscellaneous other items, would take a very large amount of fuel and even larger amounts of money.

    I should also mention that your idea is one that would require a large investment of money.


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    My comment is you need a HUGE amount of money, even more than the amount of water oxygen, and nutrients.

    You also need to bring lots of nitrogen as well, since living permanently in a 100% oxygen environment is extremely hazardous.
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    What do you think about the feasibility of a private moon base in a decade?
    In our present archaic form of planetary socio-economic organization, its as likely as being hit twice by lightning.

    "Also, what does the moon have to offer that would make it worth going to? "
    There is no Profit based motive to go to the moon, but civilization motives if a civilization wants to expand into the solar system.
    1. The Moon offers a second basket to put our eggs in, if an Extinction Level Event occurs on earth, odds are a large enough self-sufficient moon colony can expand and repopulate the earth(or reintroduce technology and social organization practices to survivors)
    2. A stepping stone for space colonization
    a- A low G and no atmosphere can help make a mass driver an option for launching moon manufactured parts in orbit.
    b- A hardcore testing condition site for developing techniques to be used in colonization of other planets and moons
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    All right it would be expensive. Agreed.

    What about moon rocks though?

    They sell for a couple thousand a gram. I wonder if the amount you could bring back could ever justify the price of going.

    Also, what about space tourism?

    http://www.space.com/11502-space-tou...dventures.html

    Neither would justify creating a base right away, but the missions could conceivably eventually lead to some sort of station being established.

    Baby steps.
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    Perhaps you should call Howard Trump? He could go up there and run a reality show....permanently.
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    http://www.interorbital.com/Lunar%20...20Return_1.htm

    haha someone beat me to it. Damnit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pedroj012
    Also, what does the moon have to offer that would make it worth going to?

    Moon tourists?

    Selling moon rocks? Haha maybe they can be polished and make insanely expensive jewelry. 'Out of this world' earings.
    I think in-situ building resources top the list. Whatever you want to build in space, if you can find the resources to build it from up there already, you've just saved yourself a lot of rocket fuel.

    It's a question of getting our foot in the door. Once we build enough infrastructure to extract and build in situ, we can build an unlimited amount of additional infrastructure from that seed. It's just a very costly seed to plant.




    How much water, oxygen, nutrients would you need to sustain like 5 or 10 people?
    Oxygen is actually the most abundant component of lunar soil

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regolith#On_the_Moon



    But Hydrogen and Nitrogen are virtually non-existent.

    http://www.plasmaben.com/luna.htm
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    Remember that the more of an item there are, the less valuble they are. Therefore, if these base builders brought boatloads of moon rocks back at once, they wouldn't be THAT valuble, so that corporation would have to control outtake of these rocks. By doing that, they would not make a profit on it for quite a while.

    Think of the maintence. Say something goes wrong, and it's imporatant that it gets fixed as soon as possible. You'd need people trained in that specific field and training as astronauts. They'd need to send a ship up, and then bring the dude back. Not to mention constant supply refills and possibly dozens of ship launches a year to that station.

    It would never ever work as a profitble thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Astronomy Forever
    Remember that the more of an item there are, the less valuble they are. Therefore, if these base builders brought boatloads of moon rocks back at once, they wouldn't be THAT valuble, so that corporation would have to control outtake of these rocks. By doing that, they would not make a profit on it for quite a while.
    Moon rocks especially only derive their high price from the sheer novelty of owning one. To make it profitable, you'd have to find a mineral resource that's useful in some kind of manufacturing process (so its value doesn't drop as much when there's more of it) , or find a way to to build solar arrays and transport the energy back to Earth. (Maybe beaming it as a microwave, or something like that).





    Think of the maintence. Say something goes wrong, and it's imporatant that it gets fixed as soon as possible. You'd need people trained in that specific field and training as astronauts. They'd need to send a ship up, and then bring the dude back. Not to mention constant supply refills and possibly dozens of ship launches a year to that station.

    It would never ever work as a profitble thing.
    If you could manufacture some kind of rocket fuel from in situ materials, then you could send rockets from the Moon to Low Earth Orbit, and have them rendezvous with vehicles designed to carry a person from the surface of the Earth into Low Earth Orbit. At that point, the cost of sending a person to the Moon would be similar to the cost of sending a Space Shuttle launch to the International Space Station.

    Also, if there's a problem and the Moon base needs to be evacuated, probably you'd want to have prepared in advance by having evacuation crafts already at the base. No need to send a rescue mission.
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