1. Let me try to paint a picture of how I think gravity works. This will better explain my hypothesis. Space is like a super massive ocean. It surrounds all the objects with in it, but unlike water It fits in between everything, even in the densest parts of an atom because it has no density of its own or close to none, it's super light by far compared to any other form of matter. so, we can think of the universe as an ocean, space as water and all other matter, atoms, cells, you and me, planets, and stars as sponges spinning and moving through this vast ocean. (now, i think in an actual lab experiment a sponge would still be to dense for the water. It would push it away instead of pulling on it, but since a sponge works for me visually I'll stick with it for now.) It's good to know that If the earth were to be a single solid object with no little parts and no space in between it, it's spinning would have a different effect on space. It would probably push space away from it instead of pulling and twisting on it or it might not even be spinning in the first place. So, it starts at the quantum levels first, and the gravity effect is do more to the speed of the tiny particles rather than the mass at this level. The speed of the parts of an atom create just enough gravity to pull together to create the atom, and then the atoms into cell,then us, also plants, earth, and stars. Things like planets and stars have the same effect but separated creating of course a larger pull. I hope by now you can start to paint a picture of what I'm trying to put out there. Gravity is not created by an object bending space, it's created by all the sponge like matter spinning and moving through it, which is pulling and twisting space towards the object, particularly the center of it. You might ask "if space is being pulled to the center of our planet, why doesn't it overwhelm it and push it apart". well, two reasons why. First, there isn't enough space being pulled all at once, and second, an object like the earth is always moving through space so it pulls and twist one area and then moves on, releasing the area it just went through, BUT in some cases there is enough pulling and twisting on space from one object like a massive star that it is eventually overwhelmed and explodes into a supernova, and some times also creating a black hole.

I also have a hard time understanding how black holes are created by space being bent. It's said that a black hole is created from a super massive star that is so dense it creates a gravitational force that is powerful enough to cause the star to collapse and explode and then create the black hole. My point is such a gravitational force means such a bending on space around this super massive and dense star, but how does this bending create the black hole? It bends space to such a point and then what? It doesn't make sense to me. With my idea of how gravity works it at lease makes a little bit more sense. The mass of the star is pulling and twisting on so much space at once, the space begins to twist and pull on its self. It's like taking two shoe laces and twisting them together until they start to form a knot and then they just break apart and explode, but in this case the space overwhelms the star and only the star explodes, and the space continues to twist and pull on its self and also continuing to move through the universe forever. it also breaks some of that star's matter down into its final form dark matter, space its self, and that leads to the expansion of the universe.

I appreciate any comments, thank you. This idea on gravity is part of a bigger hypothesis i have. You can check it out on this forum, the title is "matter into space".

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3. Originally Posted by rhawn09
I also have a hard time understanding how black holes are created by space being bent. It's said that a black hole is created from a super massive star that is so dense it creates a gravitational force that is powerful enough to cause the star to collapse and explode and then create the black hole. .
Your understanding of how a black hole is said to form is wrong.

It goes like this: It is the energy produced by the fusion of the star that keeps the star from collapsing under its own weight. This fusion takes place at the center of the star. As the star continues to burn fuel, the byproduct of this fusion builds up in the center. If the star is massive enough, eventually this byproduct will under go fusion itself producing it own byproduct. This can continue all the way up until the last byproduct is iron. Iron will not fuse without a net loss of energy.

The iron core continues to grow, until it becomes so massive that it can no longer support its own weight. It collapses in on itself leaving a hollow in the star. The upper layers of the Sun( which still contain elements that will fuse) fall in on it. The energy of this fall is enough to trigger fusion in all of these layers at once, resulting in a huge fusion explosion blowing off any remaining upper layers and just leaving the collapsed core behind.

If the remaining core is massive enough it will have formed a blackhole, just by the virtue of having large enough mass squeezed into a small volume.

4. Thank you for your reply, i have to look more into this.

5. rhawn, a picture would be helpful.
I don't understand how your ocean theory pulls planets towards each other... the picture could demonstrate what you think is causing this affect.

6. its sort of like taking a bowl of water and putting a paper ball on the edge, and let it float there. then take a butter knife and start stirring the water in the center of the bowl and watch how the paper ball starts to move to the center. Think of the bowl of water to be space, the butter knife spinning is the sun, and the paper ball is a comet. This works in the quantum level also, two particles move by each other fast enough to create just enough gravity in space and getting caught in each others pull, they get pulled back towards each other as they start to pass by, creating a spiral dance until they become one. We see this happening on a larger scale also. When two galaxies collide together, they start a spiral dance until they become one. I hope this helped paint a better pic. for ya, thanks for replying.

7. Sure, I think it's a great idea... I mean, I think it's great that you tried to form the idea, but I (and many) will not agree until you show us the math and the actual physics that can prove your ideas. But then again, I don't get where you're going with this... Can you please summarize what you are trying to say?

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