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  1. #1 Expand your minds and contract your ignorance 
    Forum Freshman I.B.1.Dance's Avatar
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    Hi all,

    For a while now I've had real problems digesting scientific theory's of the big bang. Especially in relation to a beginning and end of the earth . These doubts are not born out of a 'denial' that the world could end,or any religious ignorance, more the big bang theory to me is a contradiction of the physical laws of life as I understand them .,

    For me ,The Big Bang theory remains ones of science's biggest grey area's (Though there are many yet undiscovered areas) .The current "popular" view is that the universe as we know it began and thus one day it will end .

    Though personally I find beginnings and ends just don't add up to anything other than science trying to tie a knot in theory's just so as to try and make these theory's seem complete .

    Aristotle wrote that scientific knowledge was a body of reliable knowledge that can be logically and rationally explained"

    There are many unproven theory's that "float" around the proven Facts .The Big Bang with a beginning and end remains a theory .

    Science shows that for every action there is a equal and opposite reaction .A large part of the "evidence" that the Big Bang theory relies upon is the measurement that the universe is expanding .

    Surely science then has also taken into consideration that this energy of expansion should also have a opposite energy of contraction .

    Even though I understand thus believe many modern scientific explanations my intuition tells me that the Big bang theory is not only improbable but physically impossible .


    What I do believe is this :-

    The human Brain is not yet evolved enough in order to comprehend the "True Nature" of this existence . ( Though it seems that the male scientific ego always likes to think it does have the capacity ) .

    As an example : Can anyone give 1 example in life of a beginning and an end .

    I can think of only 1 - A individuals consciousness .Though it could be argued that if that consciousness was human & had passed on there knowledge in some way - to offspring, books , music etc then part of that consciousness lives on in another form .

    Anyway my point is that maybe using another form of interpretation as well as scientific knowledge to "help" the brain feel it's way, a true image of our place in this life can be comprehended.

    Using Rhythms a more complete picture can be formed on what is reality and what is fantasy thus the edges of this universe become sharper and more refined .

    Before science was realised, humans as other mammals do today, must of used there instincts for guidance .This instinct is a combination of the brains inherited logic and the body's nervous system and can give insight that goes deep into our inherited make up.

    I believe that is why DANCING to music has had such growth throughout many parts of human culture.

    It provides the missing " Foundation" needed for a person to realise they are a system of physical Biological Rhythms as the universe is a system of physical rhythms .

    Not so much a Big Bang.More a series of infinite bangs relative to one another .

    The Rhythm of Life = It makes sense on all levels

    Try it out for yourself !

    Just Dance and move like this world always has and will .


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    Welcome to the forum. you have obviously been doing a lot of thinking, but some of it is mistaken.
    Quote Originally Posted by I.B.1.Dance
    The current "popular" view is that the universe as we know it began and thus one day it will end .
    This may or may not be a popular view but it is certainly not an accurate description of the Big Bang. The Big Bang relates to the very early stages of the universe to a point very close to its origin. It does not deal with its origin and it does not deal with its end, though possible ends arise out of considering its implications.

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    Quote Originally Posted by I.B.1.Dance
    Though personally I find beginnings and ends just don't add up to anything other than science trying to tie a knot in theory's just so as to try and make these theory's seem complete .
    As I say you have acquired an inaccurate picture of what the Big Bang theory is. You are criticising something that does not exist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by I.B.1.Dance
    There are many unproven theory's that "float" around the proven Facts .The Big Bang with a beginning and end remains a theory .
    The BBT does not have a beginning or end. More to the point you do not seem to realise that the highest peak that one can reach with a scientific idea is theory. There is nothing more definite than theory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by I.B.1.Dance
    Surely science then has also taken into consideration that this energy of expansion should also have a opposite energy of contraction ..
    Ask Dr. Rocket to explain to you how this concept is already present in BBT. In short, you are criticising an imaginary theory that you think exists, but is in practice completely different. All of your objections are therefore irrelevant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by I.B.1.Dance
    I believe that is why DANCING to music has had such growth throughout many parts of human culture.
    Well I admired and enjoyed Gene Kelly and Sammy Davis Junior, but I truly don't think they could contribute much to cosmology.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ophiolite
    Welcome to the forum. you have obviously been doing a lot of thinking, but some of it is mistaken.
    Thanks for the Welcome & please excuse my lack of Theoretical ideas about the Theory of the Big Bang.

    Quote Originally Posted by I.B.1.Dance
    The current "popular" view is that the universe as we know it began and thus one day it will end .
    Quote Originally Posted by Ophiolite
    This may or may not be a popular view but it is certainly not an accurate description of the Big Bang. The Big Bang relates to the very early stages of the universe to a point very close to its origin. It does not deal with its origin and it does not deal with its end, though possible ends arise out of considering its implications.
    Ok point taken


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    Quote Originally Posted by I.B.1.Dance
    Though personally I find beginnings and ends just don't add up to anything other than science trying to tie a knot in theory's just so as to try and make these theory's seem complete .
    Quote Originally Posted by Ophiolite
    As I say you have acquired an inaccurate picture of what the Big Bang theory is. You are criticising something that does not exist.
    Ok maybe I was over generalising a little too much & categorising the scientific theory's that I find to be out of balance under the label "Big Bang Theory" .


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    Quote Originally Posted by I.B.1.Dance
    There are many unproven theory's that "float" around the proven Facts .The Big Bang with a beginning and end remains a theory .
    Quote Originally Posted by Ophiolite
    The BBT does not have a beginning or end. More to the point you do not seem to realise that the highest peak that one can reach with a scientific idea is theory. There is nothing more definite than theory.
    Nonsense! There is nothing more definite than a provable fact .

    You Can not build a house on scientific theory's? The house is built on tried and tested foundations . Our understand and use of the laws of physics have enabled humans to build sky scrapers .

    Theory's build only dreams and these ideas can only amount to anything if they can be founded on our current proven knowledge of the universe .

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    Quote Originally Posted by I.B.1.Dance
    Surely science then has also taken into consideration that this energy of expansion should also have a opposite energy of contraction ..
    Quote Originally Posted by Ophiolite
    Ask Dr. Rocket to explain to you how this concept is already present in BBT. In short, you are criticising an imaginary theory that you think exists, but is in practice completely different. All of your objections are therefore irrelevant.
    In Theory ,not practice ! so we may both be talking about something that has never existed,in that context your objections of my objections are also irrelevant.

    The Big bang has not yet been proved ! Is that a correct statement?.

    Could someone explain to me , if science understands,as I do, that the universe can only be expanding in a equal proportion to it contracting .That science has not acquired a more balanced view point of the laws of our universe .

    why does science believe that the universe is anything other than a balanced system of events .If it were not so there could be no universe,no existence,no nothing .

    The proof that the universe is a system of balance is the existence of the universe .Now what I'm saying is that if science understood this basic fundamental of the universe they would begin to see thus look for things differently .

    They would look for the balancing/harmonising factor in all of the equations and measurements .



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    Quote Originally Posted by I.B.1.Dance
    I believe that is why DANCING to music has had such growth throughout many parts of human culture.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ophiolite
    Well I admired and enjoyed Gene Kelly and Sammy Davis Junior, but I truly don't think they could contribute much to cosmology.
    Have you heard the idea,theory, call it what you want "The Dance of the stars"?

    Rhythm can shed a very Bright light on any field of science .In fact Rhythm underpins all science and religion .

    For example -

    Earth's rotation period relative to the Sun is its true solar day .

    The Earth's orbit is the motion of the Earth around the Sun, at an average distance of about 150 million kilometers, every 365.256363 mean solar days.

    The earth is a body of mass that is moving in time not only in relation to itself but every other body of mass that exists .

    This movement of our planet is not "time" as many humans use it ( and indeed we derived our time from these movements).But "timing" as musicians must use in music for it to sound "musical" .

    As science says "we are made from the same substance as the stars ".


    So it is a true statement that moving your own physical mass -I.E - Your body in "timing" to music is emulating the exact same characteristics and nature of the earth's movement .

    Timed mass!

    Quote Originally Posted by Ophiolite
    Well I admired and enjoyed Gene Kelly and Sammy Davis Junior, but I truly don't think they could contribute much to cosmology.
    Of course not they were celebrity dancers / performers putting on a show.Though I am not sure if they knew any cosmology, they must have had a Good sense of timing .
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