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  1. #1 Wave Structure of Matter 
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    I came across the Wave Structure of Matter..which claims to be able to be able to link General Relativity and quantum mechanics and explain natural laws..yet why is it that this theory has not been accepted? Can someone tell me why??

    (For those of you who have not heard of it) For details of this theory, please check out http://www.spaceandmotion.com/Cosmology.htm


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    It is an alternate to the big bang theory, so will be sidelined because "it must be wrong".


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    It's the first time I hear about it, but only upon reading it, I can tell you why it hasn't been accepted yet: it's based on a great deal of untestable facts

    - Our Finite Spherical 'Observable Universe' exists as part of Infinite Eternal Space.

    How do you know and how do you test this? The creators of this theory offer no basis of reasoning upon which they conclude that our observable Universe exists as part of an infinite eternal space, and they do not define what that particular infinite eternal space is, either.

    This also suffers from circular reasoning: they say a problem of the Big Bang is that physics doesn't explain what caused it -- but they don't explain what caused the Infinite Eternal Space to appear either, nor how our "observable" Universe appeared.

    - The most simple theory must be founded on One thing (substance) existing with properties

    Science does favor the simplest theory, but it really doesn't put a minimal or maximal number of substances. Electromagnetic waves theory, which is pretty goddamn good at explaining just about anything about electromagnetics, works with two fields and two different types of interactions, mediated by different types of particles.

    - This One Thing / Substance must be Space (that we all commonly experience)

    This is also unfounded. For all we know it could just as well be time, or turtles. Common sense is not a scientifically useful tool -- common sense also tells us the Earth is flat, you just have to look towards the horizon.

    - 1.3 Matter is formed from the Wave Motion of Space

    It is well known that there is a particle-wave duality for light and matter. Given this most simple science theory is founded on One substance, Space, we must consider the Properties of Space, thus we cannot add 'parts / particles' to Space. So we are left only with waves.
    The "particle-wave duality" is essentially a mathematical tool; it's not that light is particle-based but some of the things are more conveniently modeled as wave (or the other way round): what we call particles (out of inertia) are actually very peculiar objects that really exhibit the properties of both particle and wave. It's also not something apparent only to light: electrons, quarks, bosons and every other elementary particle exhibits it.

    Edit: even if their argument was true and the theory is founded on One substance (though Space is hardly a substance), and they must consider only the property of space, why are they left only with waves? Why not just particles?

    From the little I have read so far, this theory is not based on experiment or on any observable issue (other than the redshift), but rather on an incomplete understanding of quantum mechanics, particle physics and the idea of a Big Bang. Oh, and a number of philosophical speculations which are interesting per se, but impossible to test.
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    A 'Hubble sphere' is an observable region of space where information can be passed (limited by c), outside this region EMR is red-shifted to infinite wavelength/zero energy and so cannot pass information, affect the region or be observed. The red-shift is caused by universal expansion !
    Its disingeneous to argue that the seeming expansion of the universe is due to hubble sphere overlap. Circular thinking at its best, and stopped me from reading the rest of the article
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlexandruLazar
    I can tell you why it hasn't been accepted yet: it's based on a great deal of untestable facts

    So is the big bang. A multiverse. Branes. Inflation. Then slowing to Expansion. A fourth physical dimension. Ignoring basic laws of gravity. Dark Energy. etc.

    Of course there are a few things that can be pointed to like redshift and the CMB but that is merely one interpretation of them.

    Essentially we live in a snapshot of the universe in that things happen on incredible time scales so even if expansion did happen, we could never have ultimate proof of it by seeing it.
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    No, no. There are things like string theory which has many elements that we can't test right now, but we can test pretty much everything about the Big Bang.

    Of course there are a few things that can be pointed to like redshift and the CMB but that is merely one interpretation of them.
    It's not their mere existence that points out to the Big Bang; if they were just to exist, there would have been a whole lot of other ways to explain them. It's about all their properties, which unfortunately most of those who propose hypotheses like this one don't really bother going to.

    Not to mention statements that are really, completely untestable, like space being infinite. How do they konw that?
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